新到里天行健的文章,更加暴露了魏院士很可能是造假了。



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送交者: limitations 于 2006-4-24, 13:11:33:

如果天行健所述是真,即用于当疫苗的细胞受过特别处理,那么魏院士在给NM回复时把此一事实提出来就是了。
可是,魏院士回应司教授的第一个问题时,却是说:
We thank Dr. Lusheng for his interest in our
work.With regard to his first concern, to our
knowledge there is no published evidence to
support the view that animals immunized
with whole cells as antigens should produce
antibodies directed against most, if not all, of
the proteins in those cells. In contrast, it has
been reported that animals challenged with
xenogeneic cells produce antibodies against
some, but not most, of the cellular proteins9–
11. Other cancer-cell vaccines elicit
antibodies to only a single antigen12 [AU:
Support statement with more than one reference
if reference 12 pertains to only one
vaccine.]. Whether or not the molecules in
whole cells can trigger the production of
antibodies may depend on a variety of factors
[AU: CLARIFY WHAT THESE FACTORS
ARE].We would also like to point out that αv
integrin has been identified as 130 kDa (ref.
13). [AU: PLEASE NOTE THIS SENTENCE
MAY BE REMOVED.]

看到没有,魏院士只是强调外体全细胞当疫苗会产生对某些并非大多数(some but not most)抗原的反映,以引用文献来回应司教授。而没有象天行健这样从科学角度来解释。

因此,魏院士NM论文中的描述,如果他们真的那样处理了细胞,那么魏院士可能都不明白那样处理有什么意义。另外还有一种可能,那就是那段文字只是信口写出来,这次可以歪打正着地来解释western的结果了。

魏院士如果在公开回复前就找到天行健,也许现在要主动的多,可惜阿,世上没有卖后悔药的。



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