Regardless what people call it, winning or losing. The bottom-line is the most likely outcome does not justify the effort the US put in. Bush went in there without an exit strategy, and now this war bites his ass. Troops redeployment is definitely needed, and I think withdraw will help the situation. It is almost certain once the US force withdraw, Iraq would be a bigger chaos, however, the result might be better, since it would be Sunni against Shia, and al Qeada against Iran. Both of them will seriously hurt the others. The US can focus on Afghan, to be more productive. I'll certainly vote for the next democrat who will do this in 2008.