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From owner-xys-friends@xys.org Mon Dec 7 16:21 PST 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by xys.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA27720 for xys-friends-list; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.andrew.cmu.edu (SMTP2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.82]) by xys.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27716 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from piano (PIANO.IS.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.209.113]) by smtp2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA27875; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:11:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Weiyi Yang" To: , Subject: RE: XYS-FRIENDS: Re: reply Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:09:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be223f$05041430$71d10280@piano.is.cs.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <366C6934.EE87FCDE@cae.wisc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-xys-friends@xys.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Length: 2343 Status: RO X-Status: ¸ÐлÄúµÄÍƼö¡£ÓÐʲô°æ±¾ÉϵĿ¼ÂÇÂ𣿱ȷ½ËµÄúÌṩÁËÀϱ´ºÍÀϲñµÄ¶à¸ö°æ±¾¡£¼Ç²»µÃÔÚÄÇÀï¿´µ½¹ý˵Àϱ´Êǵ¹úÀֶӵİ汾×îºÃ£¬ÀϲñÊǶí¹úÀֶӵİ汾×îºÃ£¬ÓÐÕâô»Ø ÊÂÂð£¿ÓÖ£¬¡®ºÃµÄ¡¯½»ÏìÀÖÍÅ´ó¸ÅË®×¼Ò²²»»áÏà²îÌ«¶à£¬µ«ÊÇÏóPiano/Violin ConcertoÖ®Àà¾Í»áÒòΪÑÝ×àÕß²»Í¬Ïà²îºÜ¶à£¬Õâ·½ÃæÓÐʲôÐèҪעÒâµÄÂ𣿠лл ÔÂÉ«ÁÃÈË > -----Original Message----- > From: zhangj@cae.wisc.edu [mailto:zhangj@cae.wisc.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 6:48 PM > To: Weiyi Yang; xys-friends@xys.org > Subject: Re: XYS-FRIENDS: Re: reply > > > Weiyi Yang wrote: > > > ÓÖ:Ç°Ò»ÕóÓм¸Î»´óÏÀÉñÙ©ÁËÒ»Õó¹ÅµäÒôÀÖ, ÌýµÃÎÒÒ²´À´ÀÓû¶¯, ×¼±¸¼ÓÈëBMG Club. > > ÓÐûÓÐʲôÍƼöµÄ'Must Have'µÄ×÷Æ·,°æ±¾ÈçºÎ? > > > > лл, > > > > ÔÂÉ«ÁÃÈË > > > > > > Let me ÍƼö some my favorate: > > composer, work, performer or conductor, label, BMG number > Bach, The Goldberg Variations, Glenn Gould, Sony Classical, 1051390 > Beethoven, Violin Concerto, Perlman, EMI Classical, 1216993 > Beethoven, Piano Concerto 2 & 5, Kissin, Sony Classical, 1218775 > Beethoven, Symphonies 5 & 7, Kleiber, DG Original, 1119643 > Beethoven, Symphony No.6, Bohm, DG Original, 1134030 > Beethoven, Symphony No. 9, Solti, London, 1038470 > Beethoven, Symphony No. 9 ode to freedom, Bernstein, DG, 1842392 > Beethoven, Symphonies 1-9, Karajan > Brahms ,Violin Concerto, Heifetz, RCA Living Stereo, 1205921 > (also Tchaikovsky, Violin Concerto) > Bruch, Violin Concerto No.1, Heifetz, RCA Gold Seal, 1443639 > Dvorak, Symphony No.9, Fritz Reiner, RCA Living Stereo, 1080977 > Rachmaninov, Piono Concerto No.2, Van Cliburn, RCA , 1008598 > (also Tchaikovsky, Piano Concerto No. 1) > Rachmaninov, Piono Cto. No.3, Martha Argerich, Philips, 1033943 > (also Tchaikovsky, Piano Concerto No. 1) > Schubert, Symphony No.9, Furtwangler, DG Originals, 1127281 > Tchaikovsky, 1812 Overture, Dorati, Mercury Living Pre., 1117142 > Tchaikovsky, Symphony No.4, Barenboim, Teldec, 1213800 > Tchaikovsky, Symphony No.5, Celibidache, EMI, 1226398 > Tchaikovsky, Symphony No.5, Karajan, DG, 1031269 > Tchaikovsky, Symphony No.6, Dutoit, London,1250927 > Tchaikovsky, Symphony No.6, Celibidache, EMI, 1258219 > Tchaikovsky, ballets, Dutoit, London, 1067230 > Vivaldi, The four Seasons, Gil Shaham, DG, 2080935 > Collection, Carmen fantasy, Mutter, DG, 144674 > Collection, The Classical Album 1, Vanessa-Mae, Angel, 1165240 > > > > From owner-xys-friends@xys.org Mon Dec 7 17:07 PST 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by xys.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA28354 for xys-friends-list; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by xys.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA28350 for ; 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Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from zhouzi (Dial-7-36.funtv.com [206.19.101.36]) by xys.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA29414 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:14:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981207181127.0071fb24@cae.wisc.edu> X-Sender: zhangj@cae.wisc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:11:27 -0800 To: xys-friends@xys.org From: Zhang Subject: Re: XYS-FRIENDS: Re: reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-xys-friends@xys.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1742 Status: RO X-Status: Weiyi Yang wrote: > ÓÖ:Ç°Ò»ÕóÓм¸Î»´óÏÀÉñÙ©ÁËÒ»Õó¹ÅµäÒôÀÖ, ÌýµÃÎÒÒ²´À´ÀÓû¶¯, ×¼±¸¼ÓÈëBMG Club. > ÓÐûÓÐʲôÍƼöµÄ'Must Have'µÄ×÷Æ·,°æ±¾ÈçºÎ? > > лл, > > ÔÂÉ«ÁÃÈË > > Let me ÍƼö some my favorate: composer, work, performer or conductor, label, BMG number Bach, The Goldberg Variations, Glenn Gould, Sony Classical, 1051390 Beethoven, Violin Concerto, Perlman, EMI Classical, 1216993 Beethoven, Piano Concerto 2 & 5, Kissin, Sony Classical, 1218775 Beethoven, Symphonies 5 & 7, Kleiber, DG Original, 1119643 Beethoven, Symphony No.6, Bohm, DG Original, 1134030 Beethoven, Symphony No. 9, Solti, London, 1038470 Beethoven, Symphony No. 9 ode to freedom, Bernstein, DG, 1842392 Beethoven, Symphonies 1-9, Karajan Brahms ,Violin Concerto, Heifetz, RCA Living Stereo, 1205921 (also Tchaikovsky, Violin Concerto) Bruch, Violin Concerto No.1, Heifetz, RCA Gold Seal, 1443639 Dvorak, Symphony No.9, Fritz Reiner, RCA Living Stereo, 1080977 Rachmaninov, Piono Concerto No.2, Van Cliburn, RCA , 1008598 (also Tchaikovsky, Piano Concerto No. 1) Rachmaninov, Piono Cto. 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