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03:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from usa.funtv.com (usa.funtv.com [206.19.98.2]) by lesson.xys.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA21665 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 03:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from zhouzi ([206.19.99.150]) by usa.funtv.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA37BE for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 03:27:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981107032638.00762064@xys.org> X-Sender: fang@xys.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 03:26:38 -0800 To: xys-friends@xys.org From: Shi-min Fang Subject: XYS-FRIENDS: ÆÀ¼¶·ç²¨µÄÓನ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-xys-friends@xys.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1488 Status: RO X-Status: ¸Õµ½WWW Virtual LibaryÈ¥¿´ÁËһϣ¬·¢ÏÖ¡°ÐÂÓïË¿¡±ÓÖ±ä³ÉÁËËÄ ÐǼ¶ÍøÕ¾£¬²¢ÓÐÏÂÃæµÄ˵Ã÷£¨Õâ¸ö˵Ã÷Ò²²¢²»×¼È·¡£±ÈÈç˵ÎÒ×öÁË´ó²¿·Ö ÊäÈëºÍУ¶Ô£¬¾ÍÊÇÑÔ¹ýÆäʵÁË¡£ÐÂÓïË¿ÎÄ¿âµÄ´ó²¿·ÖÊÕ²ØÒ²»¹Ã»Óо­¹ýϸ ÐĵÄУ¶Ô£­£­È·ÇеØ˵£¬Ó¦¸ÃÊǾ­µä²¿·ÖµÄÊղأ©£º Xin yusiÐÂÓïË¿ 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Language: Chinese (GB); Homepage in English. Description: A very rich database containing a lot of classical and modern texts (prose and poetry). Although the main audience aimed at is the general public and the texts are not intended for scholarly use, most of them seem to be carefully proofread, including a reference to the edition the text is transcribed from. The New Threads Chinese Cultural Society is a non-profit organization, currently headed by Fang Shi-min ·½ÊÇÃñ( aka Fang Zhouzi ·½ÖÛ×Ó), a biochemist (with a PH.D. from Michigan Univ.) and poet (with publications in China, Taiwan and the US), who has done much of the input and proofreading. 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Now while hemp and flax, both the ordinary and the fine variety, are sown by those whose soil is suited to grow it, the threads from which the Seres make the dresses are produced from no bark, but in a different way as follows. There is in the land of the Seres an insect which the Greeks call ser, though the Seres themselves give it another name. [6.26.7] Its size is twice that of the largest beetle, but in other respects it is like the spiders that spin under trees, and furthermore it has, like the spider, eight feet. These creatures are reared by the Seres, who build them houses adapted for winter and for summer. The product of the creatures, a clue of fine thread, is found rolled round their feet. [6.26.8] They keep them for four years, feeding them on millet, but in the fifth year, knowing that they have no longer to live, they give them green reed to eat. This of all foods the creature likes best; so it stuffs itself with the reed till it bursts with surfeit, and after it has thus died they find inside it the greater part of the thread. Seria is known to be an island lying in a recess of the Red Sea. [6.26.9] But I have heard that it is not the Red Sea, but a river called Ser, that makes this island, just as in Egypt the Delta is surrounded by the Nile and by no sea. Such another island is Seria said to be.These Seres themselves are of Aethiopian race, as are the inhabitants of the neighboring islands, Abasa and Sacaea. Some say, however, that they are not Ethiopians but a mongrel race of Scythians and Indians. PausaniasÃèÊöÑø²Ï×÷Ë¿»¹ÊÇÏ൱׼ȷµÄ¡£µ«ÎÒ»³ÒÉËû˵µÄSeres£¬ ÊÇÖйúÈË»¹ÊÇÐðÀûÑÇÈË? 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