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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Sun Oct 1 13:35:39 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail9.listbot.com (lbmail9.listbot.com [204.71.191.7]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA18965 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:35:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 13727 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2000 14:59:32 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 88424 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2000 12:55:14 -0000 Received: from f101.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.101) by lb6.listbot.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2000 12:55:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 07:58:16 -0700 Received: from 61.151.178.2 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:58:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [61.151.178.2] From: "Ruliang Song" To: xys_friends@listbot.com Subject: Re: [xys_friends] [xys friends] 读奥运有感 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:58:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2000 14:58:16.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[07253670:01C02BB8] Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org >们开心的人也不少。此次奥运CCTV的两个主持人，白岩松还算 >可以，那个宁辛，听她说话，真是要为她着急的，恐怕我上去， >都会比她说得溜。：） > 我也有同感，老白嘴皮子还行，特别是那个2008（中国拿了28块金子，北京申请2008的奥运，中间 两0表示金牌） 还有我看袁伟民真没水平，看他的发布会差点没吐：）人家问他什么他不答什么，反过来调过去就那么几句，真是没劲，以后中国的领导人(不影响政权的，说的中庸一点，别让人给逮起来了)要经过演讲大塞和答记者比赛再上岗，要不找到美丽小姐在旁边代答：） 不过还有一个现象，俺觉得非得重视不可，中国是长年累月集训制，运动员的素质应该讲不太高，没有风度，从好几个现象上表现得让人不舒服： 1、比如伏明霞应该算功成名就的，因为她是老队员了，又是在最后几跳中才羸郭晶晶的，别管虚伪不虚伪，她至少应该鼓励或赞扬人家一下，压根没有！更有意思的是，在前一天的规定动作中，当她知道自己是第二时，乐得不行，大概觉得自己明天肯定拿冠军。就那郭晶晶来说吧，就算再难过，也应向伏表示一下祝贺，你看人家老萨（乌丁）十米台输了，还马上向田亮表示祝贺呢 2、中国选手去领奖，从来不主动向其他选手表示祝贺、握手，就算有两名中国选手上台领奖，也不怎么热乎 另外我觉得中国虽然人多，可体育基础还是不行，特别农村好多天才都给埋没了：（ 什么时候中国平时实现俱乐部制，最后一段时间再进行集训，那水平才算真正上去了。 寺里美人(在美国的人)多，不知美国是否是那种俱乐部制（业余时间训练)? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Mon Oct 2 11:59:57 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail2.listbot.com [204.71.191.24]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17870 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:59:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 97637 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 06:20:49 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 8788 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 13:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep6.online.sh.cn) (202.96.209.79) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 13:25:35 -0000 Received: from rs ([61.129.167.250]) by fep6.online.sh.cn (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001002132216.TCPN450.fep6.online.sh.cn@rs> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:22:16 +0800 Message-ID: <007f01c02c73$d52f9360$de64a8c0@rs> From: "翔宇" To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" References: <20001001011500.ICXX454.fep5.online.sh.cn@lbmail14.listbot.com> Subject: Re: [xys_friends] [xys friends] 读奥运有感 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:20:36 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org >此次奥运CCTV的两个主持人，白岩松还算 >可以，那个宁辛，听她说话，真是要为她着急的，恐怕我上去， >都会比她说得溜。：） 螳螂说的不错，宁辛这家伙说话而且不动脑子。记得中国队得六块金牌的那天， 白岩松已经在前面说了今天金牌收帐那么多是因为中国队的优势项目在这两天比 较集中，而宁辛居然接话说"如今奥运会赛程刚过半，我们就拿了这么多金牌....." 似乎到奥运会结束中国队会超过美国队似的。 >田径！田径！中国这次田径上只拿了一块金牌。田径可是一切 >运动的基础啊。还有游泳，全军覆没。 这块金牌真是一枚令人辛酸的金牌。竞走队的教练在悉尼所作所为真是为中国人 丢脸！！好在“人民的眼睛是雪亮的”，SOHU网站居然一天收到了一千多份贴子 为“老实人”王丽萍撑腰。“领导”这次也没有“站错队”，出来澄清事实。 >兄弟说话有点偏激，是不是体育强国，有没有群众体育基础， >还是得看田径。 螳螂一点也不偏激，我们的金牌面太窄，我们实际上还是第二集团的。 不过这次也真邪了门了，居然是28枚，应该是谁也没想到吧？？举重、 羽毛球、乒乓球差不多是满贯起了很大的作用。 翔宇 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Mon Oct 2 12:43:34 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail5.listbot.com [204.71.191.17]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18894 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:43:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 61361 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 14:04:50 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 21680 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 14:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.qdcatv.com.cn) (203.93.95.10) by lb2.listbot.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 14:04:55 -0000 Received: from p2 [203.93.95.249] by mail.qdcatv.com.cn [203.93.95.10] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.2.R) for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:55:42 +0800 Message-ID: <000901c02c79$8f3bcda0$1402110a@qdcatv.com.cn> From: "Ding Ye" To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" References: <20001001011500.ICXX454.fep5.online.sh.cn@lbmail14.listbot.com> <007f01c02c73$d52f9360$de64a8c0@rs> Subject: Re: [xys_friends] [xys friends] 读奥运有感 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:03:36 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: xys_friends@listbot.com X-Return-Path: dingye@mail.qdcatv.com.cn X-MDRcpt-To: xys_friends@listbot.com X-MDRemoteIP: 203.93.95.249 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org > >此次奥运CCTV的两个主持人，白岩松还算 > >可以，那个宁辛，听她说话，真是要为她着急的，恐怕我上去， > >都会比她说得溜。：） > > 螳螂说的不错，宁辛这家伙说话而且不动脑子。记得中国队得六块金牌的那天， > 白岩松已经在前面说了今天金牌收帐那么多是因为中国队的优势项目在这两天比 > 较集中，而宁辛居然接话说"如今奥运会赛程刚过半，我们就拿了这么多金牌....." > 似乎到奥运会结束中国队会超过美国队似的。 最恶心的是沙桐，竟然硬生生地引导出“刘宏宇被罚下是队里战术安排”这种屁话。 那个刘宏宇也真他妈的会演戏，被罚下的时候哭天抹泪的骂裁判吹跑了自己的金牌， 转过脸看到王丽萍拿了冠军，又立马恬不知耻地说什么是战术安排，是自己的牺牲 成全了王，装得跟黄继光似的。 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Mon Oct 2 14:20:34 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail1.listbot.com [204.71.191.23]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20995 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:20:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200010022120.OAA20995@xys.org> Received: (qmail 2844 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 08:41:36 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 28812 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 15:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO public.hh.nm.cn) (202.99.224.111) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:23:27 -0000 Received: from w0h8d4([61.134.111.3]) by public.hh.nm.cn(JetMail 2.5.3.0) with SMTP id jm039d8a7bc; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:19:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:20:12 +0800 From: Bigdice To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Subject: [xys_friends] 帮帮忙 X-mailer: FoxMail 3.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xys.org id OAA20995 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 我的一个小妹妹最近被老师指派了一个活，配乐诗朗诵。她没什么主意，跑来问我， 可我也不灵，只好来问寺里的各位，有没有练过这活的，给出出主意，兄弟这里先 谢过了，以后各位如果有机会到北京，兄弟我作东。我的小妹妹是个高中生，诗的 要求是健康向上且琅琅上口的。 事关我这个当哥哥的尊严，不许开玩笑：）。 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID'&AID82 From fang@xys.org Mon Oct 2 17:35:54 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail1.listbot.com [204.71.191.23]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25661 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:35:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 47899 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 11:56:55 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 25054 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 19:01:06 -0000 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 19:01:06 -0000 Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02193 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:57:34 -0400 (EDT) From: huzi@mindspring.com Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id OAA0000009881; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:57:34 -0400 To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Cc: xys_friends@listbot.com Subject: Re: [xys_friends] 赋格已失踪多日？ Sender: huzi@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 162.70.87.71 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 据可靠消息来源透露，格格现正于大陆内地某处流浪。归期虽仍未定，不过 应在一两个月内。由于已数月在外，他的邮箱多半是挤爆了。 虎子 Friends of Xin Yu Si wrote: > Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 赋格的邮箱已多日不通了。都是让你们悼词给写的。 方舟子 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Mon Oct 2 21:47:30 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail2.listbot.com [204.71.191.24]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31045 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:47:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 43190 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 16:08:17 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 21630 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 23:11:06 -0000 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143) by lb5.listbot.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 23:11:06 -0000 Received: from rt.mediaone.net (h00a0cc3f7b69.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.88.184]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA03911 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001002190937.00ac95b0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: yige@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:18:15 -0700 To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" From: yige Subject: Re: [xys_friends] 帮帮忙 In-Reply-To: <200010021545.LAA08417@chmls12.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org > >可我也不灵，只好来问寺里的各位，有没有练过这活的， 寺里一般只许念经敲木鱼，不许练什么的配乐的朗诵。不过， 俺出家前曾误人子弟过一阵子，搞了个渔妇和金鱼的故事， 提个录音机到海边去录点小浪中浪和大浪的声音，这气氛就 全出来了。估计弄个一等奖不成问题。这样吧，就先定下只 烤鸭算了，不过要前门的烤鸭。听说全聚德的老匾在那儿挂 着。俺只信老匾，不信师傅。 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Mon Oct 2 23:12:25 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail2.listbot.com [204.71.191.24]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA00420 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:12:24 -0700 Message-Id: <200010030612.XAA00420@xys.org> Received: (qmail 69770 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 17:33:12 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 21198 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 00:37:22 -0000 Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 00:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wanghe) (61.128.159.52) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 00:33:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 9:2:25 +0800 From: tanglang To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: Re: [xys_friends] [xys friends] =B6=C1=B0=C2=D4=CB=D3=D0=B8=D0?= X-mailer: FoxMail 3.0 beta 1 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xys.org id XAA00420 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 在 00-10-2 22:03:00 Ding Ye写道： >Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org >> 螳螂说的不错，宁辛这家伙说话而且不动脑子。记得中国队得六块金牌的那天， >> 白岩松已经在前面说了今天金牌收帐那么多是因为中国队的优势项目在这两天比 >> 较集中，而宁辛居然接话说"如今奥运会赛程刚过半，我们就拿了这么多金牌....." >> 似乎到奥运会结束中国队会超过美国队似的。 CCTV体育台的这几个节目主持人素质实在不高，韩乔生就不提了，他的笑话 最多，宁辛还有几个场上的记者，也实在够戗。我就不信中国挑不出好的体 育节目主持人。韩、宁都是老体育节目主持人，五台没设之前他们就在，可 过去这么多年了，水平这么低，硬是换不掉，真是邪门。其实他们可以去当 领导嘛，没有必要老在第一线。白岩松以前是政经新闻方面的主持人，这次 表现得不错，至少话到嘴边有词。还有就是观念问题，我也懒得说了。 这儿有不少海外的朋友，可能看国内的电视节目没我们这么方便，也体会不 到我们这种感受。他们实在是太糟糕，不是一般的那种差。哪位有空，能不 能给讲讲美国的体育节目主持人情况。里根就当过体育节目主持人吧。 >最恶心的是沙桐，竟然硬生生地引导出“刘宏宇被罚下是队里战术安排”这种屁话。 >那个刘宏宇也真他妈的会演戏，被罚下的时候哭天抹泪的骂裁判吹跑了自己的金牌， >转过脸看到王丽萍拿了冠军，又立马恬不知耻地说什么是战术安排，是自己的牺牲 >成全了王，装得跟黄继光似的。 “战术安排”一说好象已被正式否定。 螳螂 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID'&AID82 From fang@xys.org Mon Oct 2 23:12:34 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail6.listbot.com [204.71.191.18]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA00424 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:12:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200010030612.XAA00424@xys.org> Received: (qmail 53265 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 00:35:48 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 29409 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 00:35:56 -0000 Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32) by lb5.listbot.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 00:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wanghe) (61.128.159.52) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 00:33:52 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 9:2:27 +0800 From: tanglang To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: [xys_friends] =B0=EF=B0=EF=C3=A6?= X-mailer: FoxMail 3.0 beta 1 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xys.org id XAA00424 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 在 00-10-2 23:20:00 Bigdice写道： >Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org > >我的一个小妹妹最近被老师指派了一个活，配乐诗朗诵。她没什么主意，跑来问我， >可我也不灵，只好来问寺里的各位，有没有练过这活的，给出出主意，兄弟这里先 >谢过了，以后各位如果有机会到北京，兄弟我作东。我的小妹妹是个高中生，诗的 >要求是健康向上且琅琅上口的。 > >事关我这个当哥哥的尊严，不许开玩笑：）。 国庆节不都过了吗，怎么还有诗朗诵？：）我小时侯出过节目，快板书，批林批 孔。还参加过三句半演出，反击右倾翻案风。但没参加过配乐诗朗诵，一般这种 露脸的活儿都是给漂亮的学习好的女同学抢走了。 顺便讲个笑话，前些天我们单位搞升国旗活动，升完棋后，一个代表讲话，一开 头就来了句“骄阳高照。。。”，底下一片笑声——当时正在下雨；另一位也来 了句“秋高气爽”。有人嘀咕，即便是照着稿子念，也应该顺口改了，说“和风 细雨”也未尝不可，祖国一样可爱嘛。 所以，提醒你妹妹，诗稿里最好不要提天气，这玩意变化多端，一不小心就不切 景。 螳螂 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID'&AID82 From fang@xys.org Tue Oct 3 03:00:55 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail6.listbot.com [204.71.191.18]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA05837 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:00:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 50204 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 04:24:10 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 32342 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 01:54:44 -0000 Received: from mx-out.daemonmail.net (209.75.5.3) by lb6.listbot.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 01:54:44 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA98929 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:58:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fang@xys2.org) Received: from sfang.xys2.org (sfang.xys2.org [216.120.8.78]) by mail.xys2.org with ESMTP id YjP04oV2 Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001002210058.00c8f310@xys2.org> X-Sender: fang@xys2.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:01:20 -0700 To: xys_friends@listbot.com From: Shi-min Fang Subject: [xys_friends] 方是民（方舟子）博士采访录（中国科大海外校友基金会） Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 方是民（方舟子）博士采访录（中国科大海外校友基金会） 刘铮 (2000年8月，电话采访) Dr. Fang entered USTC, Department of Biology (858) in 1985. He graduated in 1990 and obtained his Ph.D in Biochemistry from Michigan State University in 1995. He was an important member of HuangYuanShiShe (荒原诗社) in USTC. From there, the name Fang Zhouzi （方舟子) started to gain recognition. In 1994, he and some friends published the first online Chinese literature magazine New Threads (Xin Yu Si 新语丝) and has served as the editor of New Threads since then. In the past years, he wrote many articles for newspapers and magazines in mainland, Hongkong, Taiwan, and U.S., such as China Press USA (侨报), Chinese Youth Daily (中国青年报), Chinese Reading Weekly (中华读书报), Science Times (科学时报). He also wrote and published several books, including Asking the Life (叩问生命), New Chapter of Evolution （进化新篇章), New Threads on the Net (网路新语丝), Two Boats Online (方舟在线), and New Explanation of Evolution (进化新解说) etc... Whiling conducting research at Salk Institute of Biological Studies in La Jolla, California, Dr. Fang decided to devote to writing full-time. Currently he is busy with several book projects and is still maintaining Xin Yu Si (新语丝)， one of the most popular Chinese web sites. 刘铮：方博士，谢谢你接受海外校友基金会的采访。你能不能谈谈你学理从文 和留学的经历？ 方是民：我在中学时就很喜欢文学，高考时是福建的语文单科第一名。我是 八五年进的科大。八六年科大创办了荒原诗社，我是它的第一批成员。荒原办 了几个月就遇到学潮，停刊了。八七年复刊后我办到八九年，然后交给八六级 的孟先去办。他办了一年左右，有八七的一个同学又办了一段时间就停了，一 直到九七年又复刊。不过荒原现在变成文学社了，诗歌现在已经不时髦。我最 后一年的毕业论文是在北京发育研究所做的。当时我已经考过了TOEFL和GRE， 但是因为当时的政策，护照一时办不出来，就分配回家，给分配到一个乡去做 团委书记，我没去。九零年底到美国，冬季入学。 刘：你出国时想做基础研究吗？还是已经有从文的打算？ 方：我当时还是想做research。我从小喜欢文学，但是也对生物感兴趣。我在 中学时是我们中学生物兴趣小组的组长，制作了很多生物标本，到深山老林里 去采植物标本，下海里去采标本。我家里现在还有很多蝴蝶标本，都是我自 己做的。我对生物一直很感兴趣。中学时因为文科各科都很好，老师们劝我考 文科，认为我可以考文科状元。考理科状元就难多了，高手太多。我还是坚决 要考理科，因为理科没法自学，文科可以自学。我要是什么时候想搞文学了， 随时可以转；如果学了文科之后又对理科感兴趣，根本不可能靠自学来做的。 我还是考了理科，给推荐到科大。即使以后不搞理科，理科对人的素质培养特 别好，尤其是逻辑分析和推理的能力。 刘：很对。“学好数理化，走遍天下都不怕”还是很有一点道理的。 方：我九一年初开始读研究生后，当时没有文学环境，总的来说是很专心地读 书，只是偶尔自己写写诗。九三年，在 Michigan State 的一个朋友，他很喜 欢文学，听说我喜欢写诗，也听说过荒原，就拉我与他合作，成立了一个诗歌 小组。诗歌小组最多的时候有二十多个人，核心成员有十来人。当时我们每周 聚一次，读读诗，谈谈感想，当然后来也什么都谈了。这个小组我一直参加， 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用ftp取阅的，或者我们在newsgroup上post。九六年我们把新语丝和文库改成 Web。九八年国内的网络开始流行，报纸刊物陆续上网。最开始我都是在网上写， 网上贴，从来没想过往国内的媒体投稿，邮寄一来一回就几个月，等不及。国 内网络开始流行之后，有一些编辑就跟我联系了，以前在国内搞文学时认识的 朋友也来找我约稿。他们在网上读到我写的东西，说国内的读者也会对我写的 东西感兴趣。 我九八年秋天回国，是出国八年第一次。回国以后我就觉得很有必要在国内发 表一些科普的文章。当时法轮功还没有起来，但是你可以感受到整个国内那种 妖魔鬼怪的气氛，到处看到的都是气功，外星人，批判进化论之类的东西。到 书店里去看看科普著作也都是什么最新科学发现推翻进化论之类的伪科学居多。 我当时非常深刻地感受到在国内发表科普文章的必要。跟我联系的最主要的是 北京的中华读书报，还有一个三思评论，不过后者后来停刊了。他们都是搞科 普评论的，希望我为他们定期写文章，主要是批判那些伪科学的东西。他们还 希望我能翻译一些科普著作到国内去。这些都是九八年的事。在那之前，九六 年，香港一家出版社，天地图书公司，在网上看到我的文章，觉得应该出版。 那时他们有一个联系人在普林斯顿大学，后来去了MIT，筹备出一套科普丛书， 联系我给他们写了一本跟进化有关的小册子，就是“进化新解说”。那是我出 的第一本书，介绍进化论的最新成果。九八年我从国内回来之后，开始给国内 的报纸刊物写文章。后来九九年四月发生了法轮功事件，我觉得应该写点东西。 最开始国内的政策是“三不”：不宣传，不批判，不争论。当时何祚庥写了篇 文章，也不是针对法轮功的，只是对气功进行了批判，提了一下法轮功，就引 发了法轮功信徒到发表那篇文章的杂志编辑部，天津教育学院示威的事。当时 国内都是“不支持，不批判”，我就觉得应该写点东西支持何祚庥。五月份， 我发起了“声援何祚庥，批判法轮功”的签名，在网上征集了一千多个签名。 在这以前，新语丝在国内已经有很多人在看，大部分都是文学历史界的人。九 八年我回国就碰到了很多人，特别是文史界的人，告诉我他们都在看这一份杂 志。五月份批判法轮功之后，国内教育界，科学界的人也开始看新语丝。因为 这事，新语丝在国内的名气就大了，也因为这事，新语丝在国内给封锁了。就 在要捉法轮功成员的时候，所有与法轮功有关的网站都给block了。虽然我们 这个网站是反对法轮功的，但是我反对的角度立场和中国政府不太一样。海外 版给block了之后，我就开了一个国内版，把跟法轮功有关的东西都去掉，光 保留文史和科普的东西。国内版一直可以从国内看。现在即使国内版上有一点 跟法轮功有关的东西估计也不会被block了，去年我们新语丝上批判法轮功的 文章有的把政府也一块儿批判了，说都是政府一点都不管才会让法轮功那么猖 獗嘛，有些政府的高级成员前些年一直支持气功之类的伪科学。大概当时有些 人看了不太舒服，就把新语丝给block了。后来何祚庥跟我联系，他想出一套 有关的书，想把我批判法轮功的文章收集起来。我就由湖南人民出版社出了 “法轮功解剖”，很薄的一本小册子，有十几篇文章。新语丝名气大了之后， 河北人民出版社想出一本网络文学的书，问我能不能出一本新语丝的文集，今 年初就出了“网路新语丝”。今年六月北京理工大学出版社又出了我一本个人 文集，叫“方舟在线”。我查过了国内几个网上书店，都把这本书列为“热销 书”。 刘：这些都是你的写作经历，你是什么时候停止做基础研究的？ 方：就是九八年从国内回来之后。在那之前我就有这个想法。因为我的博士后 已是第三年，我再做下去就要去找固定的工作。如果是做教授，一方面最开始 几年会很苦的，另一面就会是天天写grant proposal. 我非常喜欢写作，但是 对写grant proposal 深恶痛绝，找人要钱，跟八股文一样。我自己也写过， 我博士后的Fellowship就是这么写出来的。如果到公司去我不用写grant proposal, 但是我不喜欢那种准时上下班的生活。而且现在分子生物学的研究越来越routine, 创造性越来越少，对于很喜欢用脑子的人来说就有点脑子用不上。所以我在回 国之前就已经有点不想做了。回国时，朋友们就问我，既然新语丝做得那么好 ，我在网上也有名气，为什么我不做网络呢？国内现在网络也越来越普及，应 该很有前景的。出版社的那一批朋友又问我为什么不搞写作。他们告诉我国内 现在写科普的人大都没有我这种经验。很多人是文科出身的，对科学懂得不透， 免不了东抄西凑。有很好的科学经验的人往往又文笔欠佳。他们觉得我的情况 比较独特，有科学的博士，又有文笔。我在国内住了两个月，认识了很多人， 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因为写写评论不需要太多的准备，写书就得查资料。今年五月完成的一本“进 化新篇章”是湖南教育出版社出的，他们还把它放进了一套“科普著作精选”。 目前我在写一本书叫“基因的哲理与伦理”，是因为北京理工大学出版社想出 一套有关基因工程的书，请我主编，我就基本上在请科大生物系的同学在写了。 这套书准备明年上半年出，现在正忙着写。另外我想搞点翻译。我最想的是把 “物种起源”重新翻译一遍。中学时读了中译本不知好坏，因为没有读过原版。 到美国之后我读了原版。最近有人把中文译本放上网，我校对了，才发现翻译 得很糟糕，很多地方错了，要不就非常拗口。达尔文的原作文笔非常好，读起 来很舒服的。还有翻译用的版本是最后一版，第六版，而一般认为最好的是第 一版。第一版出来后，达尔文受到很多攻击和批评。达尔文后来根据这些批评 做了修改，限于当时的科学条件，加了一些后天获得性遗传之类的错误东西。 所以我很想把第一版重新翻译一下。国内也有出版社对这感兴趣，这种经典的 著作不怕卖不出去，而且会长期地印。还有九六年的一本新书，是Tufts大学 的一个哲学家，Daniel Dennett写的，叫Darwin's Dangerous Idea, 我看了 非常喜欢，也想把它翻成中文。上海科技出版社想出一套进化论的译著，让我 在给他们选书，我给选了六本。他们让我翻译其中的一本，我就挑了这一本。 他们还在买版权。北京理工大学出版社想出一本科普杂志，高档次的。国内现 在还没有一本高水平的科普杂志，象科学美国人这种档次的。他们想请我去编。 现在还在筹备，如果能成我会花不少精力在上面。 刘：那你短期内打算回国还是留在圣地亚哥？ 方：还是留在圣地亚哥。一方面这边比较容易接触到各种信息，在国内要买一 本原版书多麻烦。另一方面这边图书馆也很不错，上网也方便便宜。所以我大 部分时间会留在这儿，每年会至少回去一趟。今年十月我会回去，在北京做一 个讲座，再处理一些个人的事情。而且每年我可能会出一两本书，回去也可亲 自看校样。象“进化新篇章”，早就可以出了，但是这本书有上百幅插图，我 很怕有错，所以还是等自己去看清样。我自己还想把网上的好文章编些书出版， 有一个朋友支持，我正在联系出版社。我自己主要的精力会放在写作上，也会 花时间做网站，编杂志，编书。 刘： 你对校友中对文科感兴趣的同学有没有什么建议？ 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Tue Oct 3 17:03:16 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail3.listbot.com [204.71.191.36]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27673 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:03:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 75008 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 18:25:04 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 23283 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 17:14:33 -0000 Received: from f181.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.181) by lb5.listbot.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 17:14:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:12:29 -0700 Received: from 208.7.177.84 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:12:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.7.177.84] From: "Ping Koo" To: xys_friends@listbot.com Subject: Re: [xys_friends] 讨教 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:12:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 17:12:29.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C33A910:01C02D5D] Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 公羊兄：您那新作娄了一眼，有些个面熟。不知那在我脑子里划了道痕的是不是就是 您往外撒的风向计。要不是，事就大点儿了，不光您办公室的小女子要撕您，怕还有 苦主要拉您上公堂呢。 讨饭的事，甭问别人啦，老毛年轻时也这么干过，他的一个老伙计就有一篇这样的回 忆录。 古平 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Tue Oct 3 20:39:37 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail2.listbot.com [204.71.191.24]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA32382 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:39:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 38980 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 15:00:17 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 16739 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 21:57:55 -0000 Received: from web3903.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.199) by lb4.listbot.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 21:57:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20001003214726.26871.qmail@web3903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.97.9.244] by web3903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 05:47:26 CST Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 05:47:26 +0800 (CST) From: =?gb2312?q?gong=20yang?= Subject: Re: [xys_friends] 讨教 To: Friends of Xin Yu Si MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org > 公羊兄：您那新作娄了一眼，有些个面熟。不知那在我脑子里划了道痕的是不是就是 > 您往外撒的风向计。要不是，事就大点儿了，不光您办公室的小女子要撕您，怕还有 > 苦主要拉您上公堂呢。 > 讨饭的事，甭问别人啦，老毛年轻时也这么干过，他的一个老伙计就有一篇这样的回 > 忆录。 > > 古平 > 古平兄一席话，惊的我冷汗直从脑后流到脚板。我刚了结一桩公案，可不敢再打官司。这段东西我曾在读书论坛上贴过一次，不知是否那一杆子正好扩住了您？讨饭的事，既吝指教，我只好自己来了。既然走了半路，总不能再折回去。那岂不笑掉小娘子的大牙？：） 公羊 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 登录免费电邮帐号 Get your free @yahoo.com.CN address at http://mail.yahoo.com.cn ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Tue Oct 3 21:16:54 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail2.listbot.com [204.71.191.24]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA00713 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:16:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 37255 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 15:37:29 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 12880 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 22:47:58 -0000 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157) by lb4.listbot.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 22:47:58 -0000 Received: from smui5.eng00.mindspring.net (smui5.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.74]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA32179 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: huzi@mindspring.com Received: by smui5.eng00.mindspring.net id SAA0000008160; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:37:29 -0400 To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: Re: [xys_friends] [xys friends] =B6=C1=B0=C2=D4=CB=D3=D0=B8=D0?= Sender: huzi@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 162.70.87.71 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org >这儿有不少海外的朋友，可能看国内的电视节目没我们这么方便，也体会不 >到我们这种感受。他们实在是太糟糕，不是一般的那种差。哪位有空，能不 >能给讲讲美国的体育节目主持人情况。里根就当过体育节目主持人吧。 俺對美國體育節目主持人印象最深的就是他們極細的分工。以美式足球而言﹐ 轉播ＮＣＡＡ大學聯賽的和ＮＦＬ職業賽的播報員都是分開的﹐因為兩者規則 不同﹐也各有多年歷史﹐通常主播都是只專一項。其他如籃球棒球也是如此。 許多主播或評論員本身就是該項運動的運動員退休後轉業﹐就更加有權威性。 一個播報員什麼運動項目都可以上的情況﹐在美國極為罕見。這次ＮＢＣ轉播 奧運﹐Bob Costa　也只是現場總指揮﹐他若參與播報﹐必有一名行家在旁襄 助﹐以免鬧出笑話。體育專門的電視臺如ＥＳＰＮ﹐其播報員就全是懂行的了﹐ 看他們播報﹐常能長不少知識。 老狼說的問題﹐台灣也有。俺爹有個同學叫傅達仁﹐在台灣是體育播報的元老。 他是籃球專家﹐當年曾被馬來西亞挖去當國家隊教練﹐結果率隊來台把自己國家 給打敗了。後來棒球在台灣興起﹐他改行當了棒球主播﹐許多規則他不懂﹐就滿 口胡說八道﹐靠插科打諢把觀眾倒也逗得挺樂﹐但是自從台灣有了職棒﹐像他這 樣的就混不下去了。但是別的運動項目還是有這問題。所以俺覺得關鍵還是在于 觀眾的水平。比方在大陸要是報足球﹐電視臺選主播就非得謹慎點不可。美國之 所以沒有這種問題﹐是因為它確實是個體育大國﹐各種各樣的項目幾乎都有人玩﹐ 也各有各的觀眾群﹐對主播的素質要求自然會高些。 虎子 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Wed Oct 4 00:12:30 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail6.listbot.com [204.71.191.18]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA04354 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:12:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 8887 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2000 01:35:49 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 14271 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 01:36:37 -0000 Received: from web3906.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.202) by lb4.listbot.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 01:36:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20001004012608.2668.qmail@web3906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.97.9.244] by web3906.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:26:08 CST Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:26:08 +0800 (CST) From: =?gb2312?q?gong=20yang?= Subject: [xys_friends] 书法家的眼 To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Cc: pangp@371.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 十一前头，系统内成立了个书画协会。俺作为本市代表，有幸到 省会出席了挂牌仪式。大会上有省书法协会副主席和秘书长助兴。 并安排一晌时间请他们对与会者的作品一一点评。我要说的就是他们点评 时所用的法眼。书鞋副主席六十来岁，慈眉善目，谦逊至于谦卑， 着实令人尊敬。秘书长三十多四十少，年轻英俊，言语呼吸间娇气 中透着矫情，顾盼时偶露霸气。这些其实都是废话。二位评作品 首先看有无出处，颜欧柳赵已经过时，能入他们法眼的，也就是 米芾、康有为类体，如不在米糠类，一定要能追溯到古人身上。 即便是颜欧柳赵也勉强应付。要么师承，要么取法。你如果竟敢 独创一体——即便是启功老先生也不在他们的话下。有一位仿启 功的，就被他们臭批一顿。曰：活人仍在发展，不足取。我观二位 书家，已成遗老，自己不求上进罢了，但他们居书道要位，足能 把往上攀登的年轻学子阻于山峡。他们的眼睛已成定市，就好象 一个模子，大的小的都拿下，套得住的才行。 罗嗦半天，没有主题，罢了。 公羊 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 登录免费电邮帐号 Get your free @yahoo.com.CN address at http://mail.yahoo.com.cn ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Wed Oct 4 01:23:33 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail10.listbot.com (lbmail10.listbot.com [204.71.191.8]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA05880 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:23:32 -0700 Message-Id: <200010040823.BAA05880@xys.org> Received: (qmail 25793 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2000 02:47:20 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 16073 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 02:46:32 -0000 Received: from smtp3.mail.yahoo.com (HELO smtp1b.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.135) by lb2.listbot.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 02:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO public) (61.128.146.207) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 02:46:02 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:46:3 +0800 From: tanglang To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: [xys_friends] =CC=D6=BD=CC?= X-mailer: FoxMail 3.0 beta 1 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xys.org id BAA05880 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 在 00-10-4 0:07:00 =?gb2312?q?gong=20yang?=写道： >Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org > >最近写个小东西，还未成时，我单位一小女子即打上门来，说是侵 >犯了她的权利，自称是良家妇女受了侮辱。我先贴下面，请各位评 >一评，咱堂堂绅士有哞那下作文字。 呵呵，真有这档子事？她怎么能看到你的未完成作品，你在什么地方 贴过？ 突然想起，去年还是什么时候，有位杭州的学生作家写了本小说，内 里提到了不少校园“风光”，结果被几个对号入座的人告上了法院。 这家伙被告也不冤枉，他直接用了现实中的人名！另外，班级、职务、 环境方面的描写也让知道内情的人一眼就可看出说得是谁。学生作家 败诉。我记得法院的解释是：你不能强调文章是小说，就可以推卸责 任；记实性如此之强，已给当事人带来困扰。 >另外，有没有哪位老哥讨过饭的，把经验给咱书来，待大作成后， >一定把老兄的名字署在前头——实在是写不下去了。把提纲一并贴 >上。其实路子早歪了。 没要过饭，但蹭过饭。蹭过饭不算吧？：） 螳螂 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID'&AID82 From fang@xys.org Wed Oct 4 02:31:45 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail1.listbot.com [204.71.191.23]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA07508 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:31:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 82293 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 20:52:33 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 17548 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 03:28:03 -0000 Received: from web3902.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.198) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 03:28:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20001004032428.17745.qmail@web3902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.97.9.244] by web3902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:24:28 CST Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:24:28 +0800 (CST) From: =?gb2312?q?gong=20yang?= Subject: Re: [xys_friends] 讨教 To: Friends of Xin Yu Si MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org >一评，咱堂堂绅士有哞那下作文字。 > > 呵呵，真有这档子事？她怎么能看到你的未完成作品，你在什么地方 > 贴过？ 我这人手懒，很少在纸上操练。一般都是礼拜天不喝酒不赌钱的 时候，到单位的计算机上操练一时。我写的东西没有加密，且在 单位的局域网上共享着的，随时都可看的。我科室只有一位娘子， 再者我确实引用了她的几句话。加上别人的窜拖，她只好跳出来 表明立场。不过事情不大，咱还摆不平她？单位里放风每人发一台 计算机，已经有一年了，迟迟不兑现，俺也舍不得银子去买他。 > 突然想起，去年还是什么时候，有位杭州的学生作家写了本小说，内 > 里提到了不少校园“风光”，结果被几个对号入座的人告上了法院。 > 这家伙被告也不冤枉，他直接用了现实中的人名！另外，班级、职务、 > 环境方面的描写也让知道内情的人一眼就可看出说得是谁。学生作家 > 败诉。我记得法院的解释是：你不能强调文章是小说，就可以推卸责 > 任；记实性如此之强，已给当事人带来困扰。 我这人就不会起名，所以写的东西里很少有正经名字。大不了甲 乙丙丁小娘子之类，没有把柄可抓的。：） > >另外，有没有哪位老哥讨过饭的，把经验给咱书来，待大作成后， > >一定把老兄的名字署在前头——实在是写不下去了。把提纲一并贴 > >上。其实路子早歪了。 > > 没要过饭，但蹭过饭。蹭过饭不算吧？：） 俺也常吃蹭饭，但没有讨饭的感觉。要么不让吃不行，要么不去吃 不行。昨晚还吃一顿来着，回来差点电死。现在手上还有两个血泡，是我摸黑找电源，搭手摁住了两根裸露着的零线和火线。大 难不死，当有后福。等着瞧吧。 公羊 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 登录免费电邮帐号 Get your free @yahoo.com.CN address at http://mail.yahoo.com.cn ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Wed Oct 4 10:53:59 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail11.listbot.com (lbmail11.listbot.com [204.71.191.9]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21552 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:53:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 3129 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2000 12:17:40 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 15905 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 12:20:04 -0000 Received: from mx-out.daemonmail.net (209.75.5.3) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 12:20:04 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA25065 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 05:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fang@xys2.org) Received: from sfang.xys2.org (sfang.xys2.org [209.68.218.104]) by mail.xys2.org with ESMTP id CW60iaC2 Wed, 04 Oct 2000 05:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001004051217.00c924b0@xys2.org> X-Sender: fang@xys2.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 05:20:06 -0700 To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" From: Shi-min Fang Subject: Re: [xys_friends] [xys friends] 讨教 In-Reply-To: <200010040248.TAA15273@mx.emailqueue.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org At 10:46 AM 10/4/00 +0800, you wrote: >呵呵，真有这档子事？她怎么能看到你的未完成作品，你在什么地方 >贴过？ 他在读书论坛上贴过一部分。 >突然想起，去年还是什么时候，有位杭州的学生作家写了本小说，内 >里提到了不少校园“风光”，结果被几个对号入座的人告上了法院。 >这家伙被告也不冤枉，他直接用了现实中的人名！另外，班级、职务、 >环境方面的描写也让知道内情的人一眼就可看出说得是谁。学生作家 >败诉。我记得法院的解释是：你不能强调文章是小说，就可以推卸责 >任；记实性如此之强，已给当事人带来困扰。 应帆的那篇《有雪的冬天》是不是也带纪实性质的？为那个麻绳BBS做 了很好的广告嘛。里面有一个情节说男主人公起初没有经验，不知道 要去特定的药店买避孕套。Ithaca那么保守？大学城不至于吧。我住 过的地方（包括离Ithaca一个小时的Rochester）都是超市卖避孕套的， 有的还摆在交款处最显眼的地方。或者是应帆自己胡编的？ 我现在读小说，尽注意这种比较古怪的细节了:-) 方舟子 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Wed Oct 4 21:03:10 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail2.listbot.com [204.71.191.24]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01834 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:03:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 80972 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2000 15:23:41 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 91460 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 20:22:02 -0000 Received: from law-f170.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.233) by lb6.listbot.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 20:22:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:25:15 -0700 Received: from 199.172.169.12 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:25:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.172.169.12] From: "Echo Ying" To: xys_friends@listbot.com Subject: Re: [xys_friends] 讨教 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:25:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2000 22:25:15.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7FF8280:01C02E51] Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org >应帆的那篇《有雪的冬天》是不是也带纪实性质的？为那个麻绳BBS做 >了很好的广告嘛。里面有一个情节说男主人公起初没有经验，不知道 >要去特定的药店买避孕套。Ithaca那么保守？大学城不至于吧。我住 没有没有，纯粹虚构。：) 呵呵，写的时候问我室友，他狐疑地看我一眼，然后说超市有， 当然还有专门的药店。。。 >我现在读小说，尽注意这种比较古怪的细节了:-) 两种解释：一个是比较挑剔，从细节看故事编得 象不象；另一个，人生苍凉虚无之感的开始或加重，所以 只能抓留一些细节了，:) 应帆 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Thu Oct 5 03:41:02 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail5.listbot.com [204.71.191.17]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA10187 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:41:01 -0700 Message-Id: <200010051041.DAA10187@xys.org> Received: (qmail 95514 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2000 05:01:55 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 26102 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 05:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO public.hh.nm.cn) (202.99.224.111) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 05:06:43 -0000 Received: from w0h8d4([61.134.111.71]) by public.hh.nm.cn(JetMail 2.5.3.0) with SMTP id jm039dc52cc; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 05:02:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:3:37 +0800 From: Bigdice To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Subject: Re: Re: [xys_friends] 帮帮忙 X-mailer: FoxMail 3.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xys.org id DAA10187 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org >寺里一般只许念经敲木鱼，不许练什么的配乐的朗诵。不过， >俺出家前曾误人子弟过一阵子，搞了个渔妇和金鱼的故事， >提个录音机到海边去录点小浪中浪和大浪的声音，这气氛就 >全出来了。估计弄个一等奖不成问题。这样吧，就先定下只 >烤鸭算了，不过要前门的烤鸭。听说全聚德的老匾在那儿挂 >着。俺只信老匾，不信师傅。 > 亦歌的点子倒是不错，可惜被我妹妹给否决了，人家说了，太幼稚：）。 不过这鸭子我还是要请的，可你得把你藏的酒给我扛一坛来，我不是 自己喝，我给公羊，抵那瓶五粮液。至于螳螂嘛，看在也有建设性意 见的份上，我让亦歌把鸭架子剩下来给你吃：）。 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID'&AID82 From fang@xys.org Thu Oct 5 05:56:28 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail11.listbot.com (lbmail11.listbot.com [204.71.191.9]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA18130 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 05:56:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 21222 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2000 07:20:07 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 29801 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 07:22:33 -0000 Received: from f40.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.40) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 07:22:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:18:59 -0700 Received: from 24.11.140.147 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:18:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.11.140.147] From: "Dan Windover" To: xys_friends@listbot.com Subject: Re: Re: [xys_friends] 帮帮忙 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:18:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 07:18:59.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[881AD690:01C02E9C] Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org > > >寺里一般只许念经敲木鱼，不许练什么的配乐的朗诵。不过， > >俺出家前曾误人子弟过一阵子，搞了个渔妇和金鱼的故事， > >提个录音机到海边去录点小浪中浪和大浪的声音，这气氛就 > >全出来了。估计弄个一等奖不成问题。这样吧，就先定下只 > >烤鸭算了，不过要前门的烤鸭。听说全聚德的老匾在那儿挂 > >着。俺只信老匾，不信师傅。 > > > >亦歌的点子倒是不错，可惜被我妹妹给否决了，人家说了，太幼稚：）。 >不过这鸭子我还是要请的，可你得把你藏的酒给我扛一坛来，我不是 >自己喝，我给公羊，抵那瓶五粮液。至于螳螂嘛，看在也有建设性意 >见的份上，我让亦歌把鸭架子剩下来给你吃：）。 > > 找找什么拜伦或者叶慈等英国人的诗译译。 他们的诗够美，而且与中国味道不同，可以 骗骗小姑娘的。 新语丝大批译诗人才，每次都引得干劲高涨。 渔夫和金鱼是有点读给小学生听。:) windover（筋斗云） windover@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Thu Oct 5 06:30:26 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail1.listbot.com [204.71.191.23]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA18692 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:30:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 22132 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2000 00:51:05 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 18754 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 08:01:54 -0000 Received: from f6.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.6) by lb4.listbot.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 08:01:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:51:19 -0700 Received: from 24.11.140.147 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:51:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.11.140.147] From: "Dan Windover" To: xys_friends@listbot.com Subject: Re: Re: [xys_friends] 帮帮忙 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:51:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 07:51:19.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C194950:01C02EA1] Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org >找找什么拜伦或者叶慈等英国人的诗译译。 >他们的诗够美，而且与中国味道不同，可以 >骗骗小姑娘的。 >新语丝大批译诗人才，每次都引得干劲高涨。 >渔夫和金鱼是有点读给小学生听。:) > 拜伦有篇＜when　we　two　parted　＞，虽然是讲爱情， 不过以爱情喻友情的诗本来就不少。 　　　　　　　　　　　When We Two Parted By George Gordon & Lord Byron When we two parted In silence and tears, Half broken-hearted To sever for years, Pale grew thy cheek and cold, Colder thy kiss; Truly that hour foretold Sorrow to this. The dew of the morning Sunk chill on my brow-- It felt like the warning Of what I feel now. Thy vows are all broken, And light is thy fame; I hear thy name spoken, And share in its shame. They name thee before me, A knell to mine ear; A shudder comes o'er me-- Why wert thou so dear? They know not I knew thee, Who knew thee too well:-- Long, long shall I rue thee, Too deeply to tell. In secret we met-- In silence I grieve That thy heart could forget, Thy spirit deceive. If I should meet thee After long years, How should I greet thee?-- With silence and tears. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Thu Oct 5 08:08:45 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail14.listbot.com (lbmail14.linkexchange.com [204.71.191.208]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20147 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:08:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200010051508.IAA20147@xys.org> Received: (qmail 1677 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2000 09:30:38 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 9072 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 09:31:43 -0000 Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32) by lb2.listbot.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 09:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO public) (61.128.150.211) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 09:31:06 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:31:8 +0800 From: tanglang To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: Re: Re: [xys_friends] =B0=EF=B0=EF=C3=A6?= X-mailer: FoxMail 3.0 beta 1 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xys.org id IAA20147 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 在 00-10-5 7:18:00 Dan Windover写道： >>亦歌的点子倒是不错，可惜被我妹妹给否决了，人家说了，太幼稚：）。 >>不过这鸭子我还是要请的，可你得把你藏的酒给我扛一坛来，我不是 >>自己喝，我给公羊，抵那瓶五粮液。至于螳螂嘛，看在也有建设性意 >>见的份上，我让亦歌把鸭架子剩下来给你吃：）。 呵呵，有鸭架子吃也不错。鸭架子是做汤用的吧，我现在一想起鸭汤 就禁不住的口水往外冒。亦歌吃那种一咬满口冒油的烤鸭子，满脸写 着“朱门酒肉臭”，还不如跟我一块喝鸭汤呢，“春江冷暖鸭先知”， 早先古人管汤也叫“春江”（有待考证），多有诗意。：） >找找什么拜伦或者叶慈等英国人的诗译译。 >他们的诗够美，而且与中国味道不同，可以 >骗骗小姑娘的。 >新语丝大批译诗人才，每次都引得干劲高涨。 >渔夫和金鱼是有点读给小学生听。:) >windover（筋斗云） >windover@hotmail.com 筋斗有点崇洋，应该严厉批评。配乐诗朗诵首选还得是《春江花月夜》 诗配《春江花月夜》曲（也叫《夕阳箫鼓》 螳螂 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID'&AID82 From fang@xys.org Fri Oct 6 07:51:55 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail4.listbot.com (lbmail4.listbot.com [204.71.191.16]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA20799 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:51:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 17920 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2000 09:50:00 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 23002 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 09:24:51 -0000 Received: from f156.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.156) by lb4.listbot.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 09:24:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 02:14:16 -0700 Received: from 210.74.248.22 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:14:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.74.248.22] From: "Ruliang Song" To: xys_friends@listbot.com Subject: [xys_friends] 诗歌朗诵清单 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:14:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2000 09:14:16.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD3D2730:01C02F75] Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 本来要帮忙的帖子俺向来不看，因为俺发现基本上不懂，都是奔着tanglang 和zhouzi去的，不是药就是英文，不懂。这两天给 论文折磨的头都大了，一不小心点进去了，既然看了，也别当哑巴呀：） yige的太幼稚，tanglang的太过时，不是重洋媚外，这诗歌朗诵，可以比做卡拉OK，大陆好的不多，还是港台、欧美的好。 筋斗云战略正确，战术失误。俺来指点一下吧：（哎呀，不好意思，这台机器上没有五笔字型，俺懒得找字，凑和着看吧：）） 国内： 1、首推许志魔的“在别抗桥”/“偶然”/“我不止到风”/“歌” 2、戴望述的“雨巷” 3、何其放的一些也可以，什么“为少难少女门歌唱”呀 4、书亭大姐的“致橡树” 港台： 1、首推席慕容的，很多都可以，比如“历史博物馆” 2、杨唤的“我是忙碌的” 3、如果你那妹妹的声音比较有磁性，那可以选余光中的“乡愁” 欧美： 1、首推裴多菲的“我愿是急流”那首，陪上个“秋日私语”/“To alice "只类的小曲，那一等讲才没问题呢 2、雪莱的（抱歉，我忘了名字了） 3、康明思的很轻快，有很多适合小男小女们朗诵 4、还有一绝的，叶枝还是奥登有一首“而死亡亦不得独霸四方”，这个陪上"Schiedler's list"的小提琴 那简直是库比了！ 齐鲁 最后还不行的话，可以搞原创嘛，让寺里的高手门(应帆那里去了？)给写一个：） _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Sat Oct 7 05:12:51 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail5.listbot.com [204.71.191.17]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA19637 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 05:12:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 27663 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2000 06:33:26 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 74193 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 04:31:37 -0000 Received: from web3901.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.197) by lb6.listbot.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 04:31:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20001007063457.16286.qmail@web3901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.97.9.244] by web3901.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:34:57 CST Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:34:57 +0800 (CST) From: =?gb2312?q?gong=20yang?= Subject: Re: [xys_friends] 总算有人替百合出口气:-) To: Friends of Xin Yu Si MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 昨下午和一朋友喝茶,他忽然提起了百合.说他常和她在联众下围棋, 称赞百合的棋风如何之好.并说,那是一个非常漂亮的女孩,更难能 可贵的是她还是一个作家.我说,你的如何知道?他一副神秘的样子. 他们似乎聊过,且很投机.令我好一会神志不清. 螳螂围棋下的不是很好吗,有没有跟百合交过手?能否说来给咱一听? 公羊 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 登录免费电邮帐号 Get your free @yahoo.com.CN address at http://mail.yahoo.com.cn ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Sat Oct 7 07:34:06 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail7.listbot.com [204.71.191.5]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA21826 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 07:34:05 -0700 Message-Id: <200010071434.HAA21826@xys.org> Received: (qmail 83455 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2000 08:55:12 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 26934 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 08:56:41 -0000 Received: from smtp3.mail.yahoo.com (HELO smtp1b.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.135) by lb2.listbot.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 08:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO public) (61.128.153.111) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 08:56:10 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:56:15 +0800 From: tanglang To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: Re: [xys_friends] =D7=DC=CB=E3=D3=D0=C8=CB=CC=E6=B0=D9=BA=CF=B3=F6=BF=DA=C6=F8:-)?= X-mailer: FoxMail 3.0 beta 1 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xys.org id HAA21826 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 在 00-10-7 14:34:00 =?gb2312?q?gong=20yang?=写道： >Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org > >昨下午和一朋友喝茶,他忽然提起了百合.说他常和她在联众下围棋, >称赞百合的棋风如何之好.并说,那是一个非常漂亮的女孩,更难能 >可贵的是她还是一个作家.我说,你的如何知道?他一副神秘的样子. >他们似乎聊过,且很投机.令我好一会神志不清. >螳螂围棋下的不是很好吗,有没有跟百合交过手?能否说来给咱一听? > >公羊 我的围棋其实很糟糕，属于光说不炼的那种。：）我以前倒是在 网上（IGS）经常下棋，但近些年已经好久没去下了，没别的原 因，国内上网太化钱，另外线路情况也不好，动辄掉线，若是优 势倒也罢了，若是劣势，对手还以为我耍赖呢。 你说的那个百合是在新语丝上发过文章的那位吗？舟子跟她比较 熟，知道她是几段吗？不如叫万教授去杀她一盘。：） 螳螂 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID'&AID82 From fang@xys.org Sat Oct 7 07:42:07 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com (lbmail13.linkexchange.com [204.71.191.207]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA21932 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 07:42:06 -0700 Received: (qmail 32075 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2000 09:01:34 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 29511 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 09:04:39 -0000 Received: from mx-out.daemonmail.net (209.75.5.3) by lb2.listbot.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 09:04:39 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA92018 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:04:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fang@xys2.org) Received: from sfang.xys2.org (sfang.xys2.org [216.120.0.17]) by mail.xys2.org with ESMTP id 6wN0c0U2 Sat, 07 Oct 2000 02:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001007020652.00c8a820@xys2.org> X-Sender: fang@xys2.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 02:07:51 -0700 To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" From: Shi-min Fang Subject: Re: [xys_friends] Re: [xys friends] 总算有人替百合出口气:-) In-Reply-To: <200010070858.BAA06593@mx.emailqueue.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org At 04:56 PM 10/7/00 +0800, you wrote: >你说的那个百合是在新语丝上发过文章的那位吗？舟子跟她比较 >熟，知道她是几段吗？不如叫万教授去杀她一盘。：） 那位是国内的百合。新语丝的百合大概不会下围棋，现在有两个小孩 要带，更没时间去下棋。 方舟子 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Sat Oct 7 18:53:56 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail1.listbot.com [204.71.191.23]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA00440 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:53:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 2087 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2000 13:14:13 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 11792 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 20:18:10 -0000 Received: from f220.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.220) by lb5.listbot.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 20:18:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:16:04 -0700 Received: from 209.245.160.36 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:16:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.245.160.36] From: "zheng ding" To: xys_friends@listbot.com Subject: Re: [xys_friends] 总算有人替百合出口气:-) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:16:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2000 20:16:04.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B6529F0:01C0309B] Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org >那位是国内的百合。新语丝的百合大概不会下围棋，现在有两个小孩 >要带，更没时间去下棋。 在网上读到过百合写给儿子的一组文章,很喜欢. 这位百合是新语丝的百合吧? 我错过了这组文章的最初几篇,觉得遗憾. 在网上瞎找过,没社么结果. 带小孩很辛苦,也很幸福. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Sat Oct 7 23:08:40 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail1.listbot.com (lbmail6.listbot.com [204.71.191.18]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04817 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:08:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 19826 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2000 00:32:15 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 21259 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 00:34:24 -0000 Received: from web3904.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.200) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 00:34:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20001008003049.23063.qmail@web3904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.97.9.244] by web3904.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 08:30:49 CST Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:30:49 +0800 (CST) From: =?gb2312?q?gong=20yang?= Subject: Re: Re: Re: [xys_friends] 总算有人替百合出口气:-) To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Cc: baihe@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org > 你说的那个百合是在新语丝上发过文章的那位吗？舟子跟她比较 > 熟，知道她是几段吗？不如叫万教授去杀她一盘。：） > 国内也有一位百合？俺孤陋寡闻，未曾知道。容俺探清再报。 现在国内的上网费便宜得让人受不了。目前我们这里上网包月费是 60元。去年158元，今年上半年88元。重庆的便宜吗？螳螂兄可进去寻她一寻。如得便，也让俺一沁芳容。：） 公羊 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 登录免费电邮帐号 Get your free @yahoo.com.CN address at http://mail.yahoo.com.cn ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to xys_friends-unsubscribe@listbot.com Get on EqualFooting and get $25 back! 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For everything from erasers to printer paper-click and get on 'equal footing' today. http://on.linkexchange.com/?ATID=27&AID=1482 From fang@xys.org Sun Oct 8 02:17:13 2000 -0700 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from lbmail14.listbot.com (lbmail14.linkexchange.com [204.71.191.208]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA08328 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:17:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200010080917.CAA08328@xys.org> Received: (qmail 24200 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2000 03:39:18 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 28372 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 03:41:49 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.69.60) by lb5.listbot.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 03:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO public) (61.128.152.250) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 03:39:42 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:39:49 +0800 From: tanglang To: Friends of Xin Yu Si Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: Re: Re: Re: [xys_friends] =D7=DC=CB=E3=D3=D0=C8=CB=CC=E6=B0=D9=BA=CF=B3=F6=BF=DA=C6=F8:-)?= X-mailer: FoxMail 3.0 beta 1 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xys.org id CAA08328 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org 在 00-10-8 8:30:00 =?gb2312?q?gong=20yang?=写道： >现在国内的上网费便宜得让人受不了。目前我们这里上网包月费是 >60元。去年158元，今年上半年88元。重庆的便宜吗？螳螂兄可进去寻她一寻。如得便，也让俺一沁芳容。：） > >公羊 我们这儿没包费。其实网络费用不了多少，撑死也就一两百块，关键 是电话费受不了。如果上网费和电话费合起来包费在200元左右，我 肯定会选择包费的。 网上下棋也是个费时间的事，我现在空闲时间比较少，每日里也不知 在忙些什么。：（ 咱们这儿围棋高手不少，万教授和0FFENDER都是段位级的，这个光荣 而艰巨的任务就交给他们了。：） 螳螂 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Received: from lbmail9.listbot.com (lbmail9.listbot.com [204.71.191.7]) by xys.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10146 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:02:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 9644 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2000 15:26:28 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact xys_friends-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list xys_friends@listbot.com Reply-To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Received: (qmail 16436 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 15:27:04 -0000 Received: from www0r.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.47) by lb5.listbot.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 15:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 24398 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2000 15:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20001010152456.24397.qmail@www0r.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.47 by www0r for [211.91.226.243] via web-mailer(34FM.0700.4.03) on Tue Oct 10 15:24:56 GMT 2000 Date: 10 Oct 00 09:24:56 MDT From: Jianqi Li To: "Friends of Xin Yu Si" Subject: Re: [[xys_friends] Electrician's problem] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xys.org id OAA10146 Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org Hi, I think 7 trips is enough and necessory. Firstly, you encode the wires in your flour with 4 bits binary string, from 0001 to 1111. And we mark the most right bit as first bit. Then do following steps repeatly, (1)connect all of the wires which has "1" in its i-th bit together, (2)go upstairs to check which wires have been connected, and mark all those wires connected in their i-th bit with "1". You need do 4 checks, so you need 7 trips. The solution can be generalized to any other N. Regards, Li Zhiping You wrote: Friends of Xin Yu Si - http://www.xys.org Saw this problem yesterday. Like it very much. Not very hard, but very interesting. 15 wires coming out of the wall in your basement. Going through the wall, these wires also come out of the wall on the 3rd floor. The p