索普指出即使人群中一半存在T细胞的“cross-reactive”,也不能把群体免疫的门槛


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送交者: jhuang 于 2020-08-28, 04:42:37:

降低到10~20%

原文是批评Scott Atlas的.

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Holden Thorp: Trump COVID-19 advisor spreads misinformation
By H. Holden Thorp

[editor’s note: the following essay by former unc chapel hill chancellor and current editor of the science family of journals, dr. h. holden thorp, originally appeared under the headline “atlas shrugs” on the website editor’s blog: thoughts going on in science and science. it has been revised slightly for publication here with permission from dr. thorp.]

In its latest attempt to confuse the public about the science of COVID-19, the Trump administration has added Dr. Scott Atlas to the team advising the president. Although Atlas may be capable of neurological imaging, he’s not an expert in infectious diseases or public health —and it shows. He’s spreading scientific misinformation in a clear attempt to placate the president and push his narrative that COVID-19 is not an emergency.

Janeway’s Immunobiology, now in its ninth edition, would be an excellent place for Atlas to “brush up” on the facts and help him grasp what science is telling us about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 — that is, if he wants to understand the science.

Take Chapter One, where the biology of T and B cells is laid out. Like antibodies produced by B cells, T cells recognize antigens on the virus. But that recognition is used to generate T cells that then kill cells that are infected. In other words, T cells are a help after infection but don’t prevent it.

I point this out in particular because over the last few months, there have been a number of studies examining whether someone can have residual T cells that are “cross-reactive” against the coronavirus. “Cross-reactive” means the T cells might fight the coronavirus even if they’ve been developed as a response to previous, different infections. For example, these T cells could have been triggered during prior infections with coronaviruses that cause common colds.

Scientists have investigated whether such an individual with these residual T cells experiences less severe COVID-19.

A number of the highest-profile papers on the topic are from the labs of Shane Crotty and Alessandro Sette, one published in Science and another in Cell, (the latter of which was famously held up by Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s foremost leader on infectious diseases and a member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, during a congressional hearing).

Crotty and Sette suggest that these T cells, which appear in as many as 50% of COVID-19 patients, could decrease the severity of the infection. But as they caution in the Science paper, while the data shows this is plausible, it’s also “highly speculative.” Many questions around this are yet to be settled, and it is most likely that exposure to a large a amount of coronavirus infection would overwhelm these cross-reactive T cells.

The hydroxychloroquine peddler (and physician turned investment manager) James Todaro seized on this for a Twitter thread. As first reported by Buzzfeed News, Todaro implied that the pandemic was now over because if you add the 50% of individuals with cross-reactive T cells to the 10 to 20% now infected, the world will have reached herd immunity.

This is absurd because T cells attack cells that are already infected. It’s no shock that a digital charlatan like Todaro would push this. But what is far more frightening is that Trump’s latest COVID-19 advisor, Atlas told Rush Limbaugh the same thing: “Some people who have come down with a cold over the course of the summer,” says Limbaugh, “miraculously end up less likely to get COVID-19, according to Scott Atlas.”

Hilariously, Limbaugh’s blog post has the picture of Fauci holding up the Cell paper illustrating the opposite point that Atlas had made. Crotty put together a long Twitter thread lucidly explaining the danger of these false declarations.

This episode represents a sad turning point in the saga of how the Trump administration continues to mishandle the pandemic. For months, we have watched government scientists who advise the president squirm on TV when asked questions whose answers are sure to anger Trump. Many scientists have called for these advisers, particularly Deborah Birx, to drop the mic and walk out rather than continue to equivocate.

I have taken the position that we need them to stay in place (as long as they stick to the science) to protect the public from true calamities like the possible approval of a vaccine that isn’t adequately tested. We may cringe when we see them struggle to answer simple questions, but they haven’t lied outright to promote the Trump narrative.

But Atlas is different. He is spreading scientific misinformation. He’s the anti-Fauci.

H. Holden Thorp is Editor-in-Chief of the Science family of journals. He was previously the provost of Washington University in St. Louis and the chancellor of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He did his Ph.D in inorganic chemistry at Caltech and postdoctoral work at Yale.

这么来说,老方这个推也是错误的

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@fangshimin
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Aug 11
70%-100%感染过新冠病毒的人体内有针对新冠病毒的T细胞,而40%-60%从没感染过新冠病毒的人也有同样的T细胞,可能是感染普通感冒病毒产生的。如果它们也能杀死新冠病毒,意味着有40-60%的人已预先对新冠病毒免疫,那么只要10%-30%的人被新冠病毒感染就达到群体免疫了。


https://twitter.com/fangshimin/status/1293104261404872705




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