From hchen@msi.umn.edu Sat Jan 11 18:43 EST 1997 Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA24365 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 18:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA24998 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 17:43:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id RAA18135 for shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 17:43:25 -0600 (CST) From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701112343.RAA18135@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: XYS9701 To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shi-min Fang) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 17:43:23 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199701110616.BAA19809@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 11, 97 01:16:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 563 Status: RO zhouzi, we had very bad weather here, so the company has been closed. with my modem and remote link, it is very in- efficient to make homepage. would you please, then, divide this issue and make an html sort of numbering for each item/article, like the DemoChina. surely i will do my best, but i see it really inefficient. you can call up me at home XXXXXXXXXX, or you can call up xiaohui directly at XXXXXXXXXXXXX late tonight. but i think the layout is very clear now, you may minimize the call to allow him to concentrate more. best! --hc From hchen@msi.umn.edu Sun Jan 12 15:29 EST 1997 Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA09340 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA26921; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:29:09 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id OAA24480; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:29:07 -0600 (CST) From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701122029.OAA24480@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Web Version To: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:29:06 -0600 (CST) Cc: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sanyee Tang" at Jan 5, 97 00:27:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 550 Status: RO zhouzi and sanyee, i am very grateful that jiyi louzhu made the xys ready last night. zhouzi, thank you for the phone call but you may stop that work at the moment now. the work left: we must proof read the web sample and download it as soon as possible, make corrections, pass it and keep the passed one as template for a while. zhouzi: if possible, please make all necessary links for this issue: say if the author agrees, put their webpage as address. okay, i feel relieved. sanyee may inform zhuoying and bambooman for conments too. --hc From hchen@msi.umn.edu Mon Jan 13 00:26 EST 1997 Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA01383 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 00:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA27793; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:26:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id XAA24771; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:24:44 -0600 (CST) From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701130524.XAA24771@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: sample To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, jliao@vnet.ibm.com, Yi@tu-harburg.d400.de, Sanyee_Tang@bbs.mindlink.net Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:24:43 -0600 (CST) Cc: hcne@msi.umn.edu, hchen@msi.umn.edu (Hao Chen), xli@asia2.aan.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 902 Status: RO xys editorial board, first, please take a quick look at web-design of 9701: http://www.msi.umn.edu/~hchen/sample second, please make a little bit suggestion to the credit of AAN.NET, especially xli. my suggestion is: put either his name or AAN into "this issue art designers" along with zhuoying. third, please give CC a place for his logo design. fourth, i want to get rid of "proofreading" list, the name list is long and ugly. can zhouzi/sanyee send a query to request the name change for a-fei, gu-ping, hui-ren, lang-ren? if they still do not respond, i may delete their names fifth, i took the reponsibility for the coordination and version control. please report your comments to me ASAP. wednesday i will be out of town. the final version will be delivered to AAN.NET prior to wendnesday noontime. PLEASE help me send this request to xiao chen and other editorial members. thanks! --hc From chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM Mon Jan 13 12:44 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA05317 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA73936 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:43:38 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA229478 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:43:36 GMT Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA38994 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:43:35 -0600 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by venus.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id JAA13585 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:43:04 -0800 Received: from nash.eng.sun.com by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id JAA26231; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:43:00 -0800 Received: from illinois.eng.sun.com by nash.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04883; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:43:51 -0800 Received: by illinois.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA13819; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:43:03 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:43:03 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM (Chun Xia) Message-Id: <199701131743.JAA13819@illinois.eng.sun.com> To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: comments on XYS web page design X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Type: text Content-Length: 795 Status: RO ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From xia@csrd.uiuc.edu Sat Jan 11 20:53:33 1997 To: zzhang@hpl.hp.edu Subject: comments on XYS web page design Cc: xia@csrd.uiuc.edu Comrades, I visited XYS web site at www.cus.ca and have some comment on the graphic design. 1) Current single page should break in multiple pages. It helps page design. Each column per page is the best breakdown. 2) The column images are good but do not the background well. If the single page breaks into per column page, the background will be different from the column to column. 3) The XYS logo image doesn't look like a logo now. I think Xiaohui at aan did the best logo image well fitted for web page. Just my 0.02. Have to go for baby sitting. Later, Chun Xia ----- End Included Message ----- From chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM Mon Jan 13 18:12 EST 1997 Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA09746 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by venus.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id PAA21741; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:11:24 -0800 Received: from nash.eng.sun.com by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id PAA17373; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:11:16 -0800 Received: from illinois.eng.sun.com by nash.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA11789; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:12:05 -0800 Received: by illinois.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA14344; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:11:19 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:11:19 -0800 From: chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM (Chun Xia) Message-Id: <199701132311.PAA14344@illinois.eng.sun.com> To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com, hchen@msi.umn.edu Subject: Re: My questions (fwd) Cc: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, xys@uiuc.edu, chun@Eng.Sun.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Type: text Content-Length: 436 Status: RO The design Hao did in www.msi.unm.edu/~hchen/sample is nice. The separate background for the table of content makes it easy to read. However, the words the bottom (specially those URLs in red color) are not clear enough because of flashy background pattern. I think you can simply try a white toned background (e.g. BGCOLOR=#F0F0E8) and make it very neat. The columns subheading images are much better than in www.cus.ca site. Chun Xia From hchen@msi.umn.edu Mon Jan 13 18:48 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA13994 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA75964 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:45:41 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA189154 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:45:40 GMT Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA32412 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:45:36 -0600 Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA03195; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:45:35 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id RAA01609; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:45:31 -0600 (CST) X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701132345.RAA01609@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: My questions (fwd) To: chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM (Chun Xia) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:45:29 -0600 (CST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <199701132311.PAA14344@illinois.eng.sun.com> from "Chun Xia" at Jan 13, 97 03:11:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1327 Status: RO editorial board, 1, i agree with chun xia that the URL's really ugly, and i feel some link won't work (say, PS in uiuc). i will make it as a version without explicit URL, so people may feel better design. it is in changing now, for the moment, i put links to the site i know working, hope it is not a political issue as it is not explicit anyway. 2, i delete most editors' names, as it is long and ugly. i myself won't take any credit, jiyilouozhu won't take any. for the very moment i won't put any designers name on, so no zhuo-ying's name. 3, i just got time to start modifying today, it is really louzhu's personal desire that xys can have a version control so he can talk through. given such a tight job over network, no control will fail. sanyee mentioned there are other designs available, can we save them for next issue? truly, --hc > >The design Hao did in www.msi.unm.edu/~hchen/sample is nice. The separate >background for the table of content makes it easy to read. However, the >words the bottom (specially those URLs in red color) are not clear enough >because of flashy background pattern. I think you can simply try a white >toned background (e.g. BGCOLOR=#F0F0E8) and make it very neat. The columns >subheading images are much better than in www.cus.ca site. >Chun Xia > From chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM Mon Jan 13 20:37 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA28623 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA76708 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:36:48 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA144292 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:36:48 GMT Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA70552 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:36:46 -0600 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by venus.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id RAA04376 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:36:15 -0800 Received: from nash.eng.sun.com by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id RAA19193; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:36:08 -0800 Received: from illinois.eng.sun.com by nash.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA14403; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:36:50 -0800 Received: by illinois.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA14431; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:36:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:36:04 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM (Chun Xia) Message-Id: <199701140136.RAA14431@illinois.eng.sun.com> To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: Re: My questions (fwd) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Type: text Content-Length: 363 Status: RO Zhouzi, I visited the site you created. The cover page looks nice, however, the text doesn't read clearly agaist the patterned background. If you guys really like the patterned background, please ask LouZhu make the color much lighter. I believe you need add more links (current/back issues etc) at the cover page. Probably you are doing this right now. Chun From Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.net Mon Jan 13 21:27 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA05015 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA75880 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:27:05 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA270018 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 02:27:05 GMT Received: from rsoft.mindlink.net (mindlink.net [204.174.16.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA75946 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:27:03 -0600 Received: from bbs by rsoft.mindlink.net with local (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0vjyab-0000EC-00; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:27:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 18:22:20 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: New Wev Versions From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Message-Id: Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1484 Status: RO Colleagues: Xiaohui's design is good enough to me, Zhouzi's is fine. However, in the future, you guys had better resist the temptation to do everything by yourselves :-). At the moment, ZhuoYing apparently doesn't have desired tools, such as different fonts, so can we let Howl and Xiaohui take the charge and avoid confusion? The following is my comments. Don't use red or yellow colour for small fonts, they are not very readable. Actually we don't need that many colours. Why don't simply use black or blue for all text? I really don't think every article merits a picture :-). There are two dangers. (1) The designer may give a very nice picture to a not that well-written article. To me, it doesn't make sense. An excellent article can bear a poor picture; vice versa, it looks like bad advertising :-), especially when the picture wraps the title. I think only articles of high quality should be formatted with pictures, as a mark of editor's recommendation (2) Zhouzi's taste is fine. But down the road we may have a designer who is to enthusiastic in graphics and unknowingly makes XYS looks like a virtual Chinese restaurant :-). We already have one, MultiWorld, that is enough. My point is to keep things simple. Don't throw in too much frills and don't spend too much time :-). What is the difference between filthy rich and lo.g-lineage aristocrat? The latter doesn't overdo the dressing, and people call it elegance. -- Sanyee From jmarcr@unb.ca Mon Jan 13 22:16 EST 1997 Received: from unb.ca (hermes.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.20]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA10126 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jmarcr@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.10]) by unb.ca (8.7.6/961016-08:40) id XAA29658 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:16:26 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.8.4/960921-23:08) id XAA08700; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:16:25 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:16:25 -0400 (AST) From: A Ship at Sea X-Sender: jmarcr@jupiter To: Shi-min Fang Subject: Your designs. In-Reply-To: <199701131051.FAA19830@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 450 Status: RO > Comments and suggetions are welcome. > > zhouzi Some pictures look very nice. But the size is not matching the page. They are too high and not wide enough. The image of T.V. set for the Ten Pieces of News in the Chinese net looked strange, the frame of the T.V. looks like made of wood. The picture for Su`s article does not match the content. The content is about how to dress, but not about how to undress. :-) An effient job. zhuoying From hchen@msi.umn.edu Tue Jan 14 10:49 EST 1997 Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA07730 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA06226 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:48:59 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id JAA07935 for shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:48:56 -0600 (CST) From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701141548.JAA07935@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: New Wev Versions To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shi-min Fang) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:48:55 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199701140838.DAA06511@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 14, 97 03:38:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 510 Status: RO zhouzi, i just read the xys9701.hz, obviously the typo in the front page has not been corrected (i corrected them wheni put it in web page). since this is the first web version, i hope you can be more restricted on this one. also, i noticed there is huge change in news section, please make sure all of xys-board is aware of this change. especially xiaochen should know. i make all of gb,hz,ps ready now, so that those links can be directed to this site as long as you ask me to open the permission. --hc From chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM Tue Jan 14 13:30 EST 1997 Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA07704 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by venus.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id KAA22375; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:28:51 -0800 Received: from nash.eng.sun.com by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id KAA29270; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:28:43 -0800 Received: from illinois.eng.sun.com by nash.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA21362; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:29:28 -0800 Received: by illinois.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA14592; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:28:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:28:41 -0800 From: chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM (Chun Xia) Message-Id: <199701141828.KAA14592@illinois.eng.sun.com> To: jmarcr@unb.ca, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca, chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM, shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, xli@asia2.aan.net, hchen@msi.umn.edu Subject: Re: take_a_look Cc: hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Type: text Content-Length: 862 Status: RO This version is nice. I am trying to fine tune the color scheme. My big problem is that my graphic card is 8bit and the stupid Sun workstation messing up the color map sometime. Again, I'd like to point out the logo issue is not close. The current one is not a logo but a heading design. We need to work out a logo finally. ChunXia > From hchen@msi.umn.edu Mon Jan 13 20:48:26 1997 > Subject: take_a_look > To: jmarcr@unb.ca, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca, chun@hsmpk15a-121.eng.sun.com, > shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, xli@asia2.aan.net > Cc: hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > okay, i followed most of your all advice, and it is going > to be this way for a while. please take a look at the > http://www.msi.umn.edu/~hchen/sample > > please refer other links for e-magazines to me. > > best! > --hc > From xli@asia2.aan.net Tue Jan 14 15:32 EST 1997 Received: from aan.net (root@[206.135.33.3]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA00416 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from frank.aan.net ([206.135.33.179]) by aan.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07482; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:57:37 -0800 Message-ID: <32DBED2D.1717@asia2.aan.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:31:41 -0800 From: "Henry X. H. Li" Reply-To: xli@aan.net Organization: AAN.NET X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chun Xia CC: jmarcr@unb.ca, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca, shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, hchen@msi.umn.edu, hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu Subject: Re: take_a_look References: <199701141828.KAA14592@illinois.eng.sun.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1043 Status: RO The backgroung color and line spacing has been fine tuned. Please take a look at http://www.aan.net/show/xys/ . XH Chun Xia wrote: > > This version is nice. I am trying to fine tune the color scheme. > My big problem is that my graphic card is 8bit and the stupid Sun workstation > messing up the color map sometime. > Again, I'd like to point out the logo issue is not close. The current > one is not a logo but a heading design. We need to work out a logo finally. > ChunXia > > > From hchen@msi.umn.edu Mon Jan 13 20:48:26 1997 > > Subject: take_a_look > > To: jmarcr@unb.ca, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca, chun@hsmpk15a-121.eng.sun.com, > > shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, xli@asia2.aan.net > > Cc: hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > okay, i followed most of your all advice, and it is going > > to be this way for a while. please take a look at the > > http://www.msi.umn.edu/~hchen/sample > > > > please refer other links for e-magazines to me. > > > > best! > > --hc > > From hchen@msi.umn.edu Tue Jan 14 17:18 EST 1997 Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA21184 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA08716; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:18:36 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id QAA08301; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:17:44 -0600 (CST) From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701142217.QAA08301@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: New Wev Versions To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shi-min Fang) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:17:43 -0600 (CST) Cc: xli@asia2.aan.net In-Reply-To: <199701142016.PAA27690@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 14, 97 03:16:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 948 Status: RO > >By the way, Lou Zhu fixes the length of table. That's >a bad idea, because when people use diferent font size, it's a mess. That's >what happened in my screen. I removed the length restriction in my version. > > zhouzi > zhouzi, i do not know you refer to which version of change, but so far all fine tunes are made through sync between louzhu and me, so it looks at least okay for both a remote site and author site. i realize obsolete version of browsers can have totally strange view of a site, which i believe you are having (from the color choice you made). if so, please update them as they are free. i won't be around soon, so it is my desire that you put your name in, you can also put all related person's names on as designer (including xiaohui, old rain, chun xia, zhuo ying, and surely CC and sanyee). the news order will be yours, and louzhu will publish it tonight the same time you announce and post netnews. thanks. --hc From xli@asia2.aan.net Tue Jan 14 18:20 EST 1997 Received: from aan.net (root@asia2.aan.net [206.135.33.3]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA01697 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from frank.aan.net ([206.135.33.179]) by aan.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA09049; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:28:23 -0800 Message-ID: <32DC1082.A64@asia2.aan.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:02:26 -0800 From: "Henry, X. H. Li" Reply-To: xli@aan.net Organization: AAN.NET X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hao Chen CC: Shi-min Fang Subject: Re: New Wev Versions References: <199701142217.QAA08301@s13.msi.umn.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1155 Status: RO Zhou Zi: Could you please call me at 800 777-club(2582) Ext. (9)1082? We need to solve the final issues by 12:00pm PST. Right? Xiaohui Hao Chen wrote: > > > > >By the way, Lou Zhu fixes the length of table. That's > >a bad idea, because when people use diferent font size, it's a mess. That's > >what happened in my screen. I removed the length restriction in my version. > > > > zhouzi > > > zhouzi, > > i do not know you refer to which version of change, but so far > all fine tunes are made through sync between louzhu and me, so > it looks at least okay for both a remote site and author site. > > i realize obsolete version of browsers can have totally strange > view of a site, which i believe you are having (from the color > choice you made). if so, please update them as they are free. > > i won't be around soon, so it is my desire that you put your > name in, you can also put all related person's names on as > designer (including xiaohui, old rain, chun xia, zhuo ying, > and surely CC and sanyee). the news order will be yours, and > louzhu will publish it tonight the same time you announce and > post netnews. > > thanks. > --hc From Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.net Wed Jan 15 02:12 EST 1997 Received: from rsoft.mindlink.net (mindlink.net [204.174.16.1]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA28564 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from bbs by rsoft.mindlink.net with local (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0vkPVx-0005Zm-00; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:12:01 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 23:08:24 -0800 To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Subject: Private Chat From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Message-Id: Content-Type: text Content-Length: 469 Status: RO Zhouzi: This web stuff got quite serious. I don't understand why you have to insist in your own design. It doesn't make sense to do everything by oneself, down the road, we need others collaboration. Shaohui's is pretty good, even Chun Xia said so. People also concern about the copyright of the pictures you use. No one likes to see a split of the XYS Board, but if you annoy too many people, the danger is there. -- Sanyee From shif Wed Jan 15 02:23 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id CAA29025; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701150723.CAA29025@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: New Wev Versions To: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:23:03 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: from "Sanyee Tang" at Jan 13, 97 06:22:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 910 Status: RO I have finished the web version. It's in www.xys.aan.net/mm/index.html and will be linked to XYS home page later. Based on the comments and suggestions I received, I did the following changes: 1) Made the the pictures smaller and wider; 2) Added chime music (Cornell Alma Mater) to Han San's article, so it's more close to "Multimedia". 3) Since PC version of Netscape cannot wrap Chinese automatically (while Mac and Unix versions can), I also fixed the length of line ( There is a simple way to do this: just use 
 and
and all the returns and blank lines we've already had will be recognized. You don't need to put
and

at the end of every line as Lou Zhu did.) 4) Since Lou Zhu doesn't allow me to use any fonts and buttons he made, I re-draw most of the pictures with new fonts and made all of the buttons by myself. I also use the original logo (the one C.C. draw). zhouzi From owner-xys-friends-outgoing@cc.rochester.edu Wed Jan 15 09:39 EST 1997 Received: from galileo.cc.rochester.edu (majord@galileo.cc.rochester.edu [128.151.224.6]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA26190; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (majord@localhost) by galileo.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.6.4) id JAA20406 for xys-friends-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:38:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:37:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701151437.JAA08887@jims.umd.edu> From: Zhiping You To: xys-friends@cc.rochester.edu Subject: Re: ~{PBSoK?!06`C=Le!10f~} Sender: owner-xys-friends@cc.rochester.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 412 Status: RO > ~{4SUbR;FZFp#,PBSoK?Am3vR;8v!06`C=Le!10f1>#,FdJ5R2>MJGR;8v~}web > ~{0f1>#,TZ~}http://www.xys.aan.net/mm/index.html > ~{Gk4s+SM#-#-~} From owner-xys-friends-outgoing@cc.rochester.edu Wed Jan 15 09:48 EST 1997 Received: from galileo.cc.rochester.edu (majord@galileo.cc.rochester.edu [128.151.224.6]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA27130; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majord@localhost) by galileo.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.6.4) id JAA20606 for xys-friends-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:48:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:46:49 +0800 (SST) From: Xu Donghua To: Zhiping You cc: xys-friends@cc.rochester.edu Subject: Re: ~{PBSoK?!06`C=Le!10f~} In-Reply-To: <199701151437.JAA08887@jims.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-xys-friends@cc.rochester.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 194 Status: RO On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Zhiping You wrote: > Good job! Congratulations! Yes, and better add an email link to each author under each article so that a reader can email the author conveniently. From hchen@msi.umn.edu Wed Jan 15 10:09 EST 1997 Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA29479 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA11852; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:09:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id JAA14579; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:08:31 -0600 (CST) From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701151508.JAA14579@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: take_a_look To: hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu (Hao Chen) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:08:30 -0600 (CST) Cc: jmarcr@unb.ca, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca, chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM, shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, xli@asia2.aan.net, hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu In-Reply-To: <199701140447.WAA01857@s13.msi.umn.edu> from "Hao Chen" at Jan 13, 97 10:47:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 906 Status: RO to whom may this concern, CC has expressed his concern that some of his artwork is contaminated by unwanted party. he thus asked me to surrogate author-right for using, polishing his already withdrawed logo design for xys. i used it, asking trusted party for polishing, and i never admit third party to take over by secretly downloading it to use it, especially when such a use is against CC's will. i personally am not willing to associate to any magazine simply by downloading photos/designs without even putting authors' names on, not to mention to get their permission. inferior design/artwork can only show bad taste in art and big ego in personality. i detest it. --hc > >okay, i followed most of your all advice, and it is going >to be this way for a while. please take a look at the > http://www.msi.umn.edu/~hchen/sample > >please refer other links for e-magazines to me. > >best! >--hc > From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Wed Jan 15 21:17 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA06772 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA78572 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:16:59 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA273400 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:16:59 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA204266 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:16:56 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA189141015; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:16:56 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA092741030; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:17:10 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701160217.AA092741030@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: New web page...? To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:17:10 PST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 6743 Status: RO Good works in both site, but neither is perfect though. The best will always come from blending the best of each. So here.... I prefer the design @ Hawl's site, and the fine-touches like the pictures etc and less formatting bugs at Zhouzi's site. The xys@aan page's logo is especially problematic, it looks like an ad for some concentration camp. :) We still don't have a logo. A logo has to be very abstract and symbolic. Chun designed a logo for OT and I found it to be one of the best in the net. I am attaching it as below just for your reference. The problem with XYS's logo, as I was told by Chun, is because the 3 Hanzi by Luxun virtually eliminate any possibilities of abstracting further. His suggestion is to make the 3 chars vertical instead of hironzontal, and then apply some pattern to confine the them. He's tried couple of designs and gave up after several trials. Anyhow, take a look at the gif of OT and maybe hopefully we can get some idea. It looks like we don't have a official web page yet. I am assuming that by the current flow it looks like every EE is going to design his/her(:) own. A formal page has to be agreed upon at least within the board. This didn't happen and that's why I am assuming every of us would have the pleasure(ha!) of defining his/her own, which is fine with me if 1), somebody else is doing it or 2) HP doubles my vacaiton time. :) -zheng >From chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM Tue Jan 14 11:30 PST 1997 ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: gif-file X-Sun-Data-Description: gif-file X-Sun-Data-Name: otlogoC1.gif X-Sun-Encoding-Info: uuencode X-Sun-Content-Lines: 81 begin 600 otlogoC1.gif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This is not a board. In fact, here only Sanyee and I serve in XYS board. This list was created by someone who believes XYS board should be excluded from the discussion of XYS web version, and by someone who thinks those XYS editors with "bad" pennames should be removed from the editors list. > I believe that we are playing war game just like kids, how come somebody > grabs dady's loaded riffle? > Can we authorize some ownership? We do this in industry for complicated > project and management. I will propose same idea here: > Xiaohui has full responsibility of web pages. He should coordinate all > the resources and makes his decision, unless we need a vote. > Why? He is professional web master and has strong art background. > All of us should function as consultants, proposing ideas, submitting > draft design, critique other's artwork... but never finalize anything. > If you think this makes sense, let's do a vote. Anybody's contributions are always welcome. However, if anyone wants to coordinate, authorize or manage any XYS bussiness, he should applies to join XYS board first, and he should take the responsibility to associate his name with XYS. > > ChunXia > P.S. I don't want spend any energy on politics at my spare time, I got enough > at work! > Me either. I didn't realize there is politics going underground on this web issue until two days ago. My point is very clear: if anyone enjoys to play political games everywhere, I am sure he won't find the playyard in XYS. Now the web version of this issue has been published, and I also asked people to visit the other version. The users' responses are very clear if you read xys-friends. zhouzi From shif Thu Jan 16 16:54 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id QAA12991; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:54:10 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701162154.QAA12991@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: your account To: root@aan.net (System Administrator) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:54:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: root@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, xli@aan.net, xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199612201619.IAA12653@aan.net> from "System Administrator" at Dec 20, 96 08:19:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1870 Status: RO > > Dear Mr. Zhouzi : > > Yesterday night, our computer system went down without apparent > reason. This have caused unrecoverable loss on our network and > cutomers' data. We have studied all log files and were reported that you > worked on tasks concerning system configurations during that time. > Your email to one of our users was attached below for the reference. > > Please send me email at your earlist convenience what you meant > "trick" in your email. > > Meanwhile, we have to temporarily disable your account until we will > find out if your actions were the direct cause of the shutdown. > I tried to update my html files in my account "username xys" in your machine but failed. I found out the reason is because the fileuser was changed to "83" instead of "xys" by somebody. The trick I used to recover the file permission is very simple, e.g.: > cp index.html index.bak > mv index.bak index.html > overwrite index.html ? y Then the fileuser of index.html was back to "xys" so I could modify it. I don't think what I did would change any system configurations in your machine and could cause crash. Since you said you have a log file reporting that I changed your machine configuration which is very unlikely since I don't have root access in your machine, I suggest you to attach it and let me have a look. And I don't know why you reported this to the admin sys of my mailbox account in University of Rochester, because what I did have nothing to do with my mailbox account except using it to send a mail to you to report my account problem in your machine. And since there is not trust exists between aan.net and xys magazine, I don't think there is any possibility for the further cooperation between aan.net and xys magazine, therefore I suggest to the xys board to remove xys homepage from your machine to another machine. zhouzi From shif Thu Jan 16 18:15 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id SAA00435; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:14:57 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701162314.SAA00435@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: important: about the treaty with ann.net To: sanyee_tang@mindlink.bc.ca, pckoo@cat.syr.edu, Z.H.Xie@ukc.ac.uk, YANG@D0NYU2.FNAL.GOV, zpzhang@math.princeton.edu, shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com, xichen@ix.netcom.com, jliao@vnet.ibm.com Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:14:56 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1697 Status: RO ~{Ub7bPEV1=SKM5=8wOVHN1`N/6x2;JGKM5=~}xys@uiuc.edu~{JGRrN*SPMbHKLX1p~} ~{JGQGC@5D6zD?TZIOCf!#M2;D\SCAK#,NR=(Ri~} ~{4SOVTZFp4su5C#,KyN=QGC@T^Vz6`C=Le0fV.JB#,MjH+JGQGC@Ok?XVF!6PBSo~} ~{K?!75DR;8vRuD1#,M4S~} ~{1`<-2?C{5%VPI>3}JGFd6~#,R*GsRT6`C=Le0fCfH!4zPBSoK?\>xAKK{CG5DR*Gs:s#,K{CG2IH!AKUbP)10AS5DP!6/Ww#:~} ~{R;!"TZ!6PBSoK?!7<4=+3v0f5D51LlMmIO#,K{CG8D1dAKTZK{CG5D;zFwIO5DPBSo~} ~{K?UK:E5DND<~J9SCH(#,OkJ9NRN^7(8D6/@oCf5DND<~!#~} ~{6~!"TZK{CG7"OVUb<~JBC;Wv:C#,NRHTH;D\9;8D6/FdVP5DND<~J1#,K{CG9X~} ~{5tAKPBSoK?5DUK:E!#~} ~{H}!"K{CGOrNR5DO5M39\@mT1V8?XNR~}hack~{K{CG5D;zFw#,5u5CJG2;?ID\TY:OWwOBH%5D!#PR:CNRCG;9N4SkK{CGG)~} ~{T<#,V;JGR;8v>}WSP-6(#,K{CG5DKyWwKyN*}WS#,NRCGWTH;2;~} ~{1XWqJXP-6(!#Rr4KNR=(RiA"<4VPV9Ub8vP-6(#,0Q6`C=Le7E5=FdK|;zFw#,~} ~{2;TYSCQGC@5D;zFwWv!3!#~} ~{QGC@RQM~P29}K{CG=+7VAQ!6PBSoK?!7;rT^Vz440lPBTSV>#,6T4KNRCGR2R*~} ~{SPPD@mW<18!#NR8vHKHON*#,K34SK{CGSkK{CG:OWwSP:&N^Rf#,SkK{~} ~{CG>vAQR22;;aSPJ2C4KpJ'!#UbJGR;8v=LQ5#,RT:sNRCGSkILHK4r=;5@R;6(~} ~{R*8|!?l1mJ>Rb<{!#4KMb;9SP8vVR8f#:~} ~{HtRT:sSPK-;9Sk:?4r=;5@#,R*6`At8vPDQ[!#UbR22;JGNR5ZR;4N3TK{5D?w!#~} ~{AmMb#,Hg9{W*G)V$K3@{5D;0#,H}TB3uNR=+5=J%5XQG8gWv2)J?:s#,OVTZ;9~} ~{SPJ1MDQK5AK!#~} ~{7=V[WS~} From shif Thu Jan 16 20:16 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id UAA20220; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:16:06 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701170116.UAA20220@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: take_a_look To: chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM (Chun Xia) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:16:05 -0500 (EST) Cc: hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu, hchen@msi.umn.edu, jmarcr@unb.ca, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca, chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM, xli@asia2.aan.net, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701161759.JAA16793@illinois.eng.sun.com> from "Chun Xia" at Jan 16, 97 09:59:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1098 Status: RO This issue finally comes to an end, and it's much uglier than what I expected. Today, the sys admin of aan.net reported to the sys admin of University of Rochester that last night I "possibly" hacked and crashed aan.net and caused the lost of their customers' data, therefore they closed xys account in aan.net. They said their log file reports this, but they didn't show it. And I don't know why this has anything to do with University of Rochester. Frankly, aan.net has totally lost its reputation and credibility to me after doing this, and I don't see any possibilities that we can have any further cooperation. And since the xys account in aan.net has been closed, apparently the web version of xys will be immediatly moved to another machine, therefore anything will happen in aan.net has nothing to do with xys and xys web version has nothing to do with aan.net and anyone related to aan.net. And, groundless accusing me of hacking and crashing machine without any evidence is an insult to me, let alone reported this to my sys admin. Therefore, aan.net owes me an apology. zhouzi From zpzhang@math.Princeton.EDU Thu Jan 16 23:33 EST 1997 Received: from and.Princeton.EDU (root@and.Princeton.EDU [128.112.16.144]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA17172 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tea.Princeton.EDU (zpzhang@tea.Princeton.EDU [128.112.16.7]) by and.Princeton.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA02369; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (zpzhang@localhost) by tea.Princeton.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA09375; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:18:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:18:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Zhaohui P. Zhang" To: Shi-min Fang cc: sanyee_tang@mindlink.bc.ca, pckoo@cat.syr.edu, Z.H.Xie@ukc.ac.uk, YANG@D0NYU2.FNAL.GOV, shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com, xichen@ix.netcom.com, jliao@vnet.ibm.com Subject: Re: important: about the treaty with ann.net In-Reply-To: <199701162314.SAA00435@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 362 Status: RO Zhouzi, sorry to hear what has happened. I did not follow up the AAN deal from the beginning, but if they try to associate their support with interference with the operation of the magazine I think we should just thank them and go separate. If there is no misunderstanding, it is ridiculous that they asked some of us to drop "indecent" pennames. a-fei From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Fri Jan 17 03:29 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id DAA07744 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 03:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA81712 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:29:41 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA244404 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:29:41 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA15022 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:29:40 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA102449779; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:29:39 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA122199798; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:29:58 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701170829.AA122199798@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Web page problem etc. To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:29:58 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 3104 Status: RO This month (almost?) marks the two year anniversary of XYS, and is the innitial launch of the XYS web page. However, instead of celebration, we are tangled with some strange struggling. That's quite ridiculous. It will be really fun if I can play some mud here. :( Unfortunately, it looks like some of the problems renders a somewhat more painful resolving process. Here are just two of them: 1) the coodination with AAN and 2) whether the current Web page would still need more refinement. Please hold on delivering the bye-bye letter to AAN. Because my answers to both of the questions happen to be Yes. And yes, we shall discuss and debate them further. The problem associated with the AAN Web page was embeded in the very process of creating it. There has been serious misconduct within which, and I am not refering to any particular party yet, as I shall explain. In order to reach any agreement, we have to learn both sides of the story. We have heard the version of Zhouzi's, and I am inviting Hawl to submit his. Before that happens, the XYS-AAN resolution has to be pending. The argument of our "penname" being disliked by AAN's boss and there lies the ulitmate hassle is groundless, because if you check out both versions of the Web page, all our pennames are there just fine. So drop this argument and let's hit the core -- bring up the big picture ASAP in order to prevent the deadlock. As for the Web page, which version is more "artistic", "professional" etc. again depends on your clicking out both pages. As I mentioned in an earlier message, none is perfect from my point of view. The AAN web page I was then checking out is at Hawl's site, a more update one is at http://www.aan.net/show/xys Which one I think is better? This one, purely objective. Though Zhouzi's is quite close and has its attractive points as well. Following that, the current one needs improvement. Provided, that there is a point of improving it. Let's at least have these two things straightened up and quickly move on. There is bigger challenge waiting for us other than this Web version. Taking the advantage of the Web is a humongous task. And actually Zhouzi's previous message of the XYS-web version intruding the formal XYS issue raises a good point? Why shouldn't we take on the Web and do something more creative? What's the danger after all? Please just drop this one for now, and we'll come back to it later. I have always thought Hawl is on the board. A while back in a message I sent to the board I "announced" Hawl's back. As far as I can recall, there is none follow up message, including Hawl himself, that denies that. So Hawl must be kept within this discussion. Especially we are counting on his version of the story to reach the resolution. Stay cool please. :) -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From shif Fri Jan 17 04:25 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id EAA11874; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:14:24 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701170914.EAA11874@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Web page problem etc. To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:14:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701170829.AA122199798@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 17, 97 00:29:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 3597 Status: RO > > This month (almost?) marks the two year anniversary of XYS, and is the Three-year anniversary. > innitial launch of the XYS web page. However, instead of celebration, we > are tangled with some strange struggling. That's quite ridiculous. I thought it was ridiculous, but I don't think so now. > Before that happens, the XYS-AAN resolution has to be pending. The argument > of our "penname" being disliked by AAN's boss and there lies the ulitmate > hassle is groundless, because if you check out both versions of the Web page, > all our pennames are there just fine. So drop this argument and let's hit check http://www.aan.net/show/xys and this is what I all got: ~{1>FZ1`<-#:7=V[WS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ~{Is8e#:!!!!I"RKIz!"P%3>!"VqHK~} Other editors' names have gone. They are not "fine". In http;//www.msi.umn.edu/~hchen/sample/, there is not editor list. Only my version contains the whole list in the cover page. > http://www.aan.net/show/xys > > Which one I think is better? This one, purely objective. Though Zhouzi's is If you think this one is better, I have no problem if you use it as a template when you are the executive editor. What I dislike is trying to force other people to accept a version they don't like. > Let's at least have these two things straightened up and quickly move on. > There is bigger challenge waiting for us other than this Web version. Taking > the advantage of the Web is a humongous task. And actually Zhouzi's previous > message of the XYS-web version intruding the formal XYS issue raises a good > point? Why shouldn't we take on the Web and do something more creative? What's > the danger after all? Please just drop this one for now, and we'll come back > to it later. Yes, I agree we can add more stuffs into web version if we have enough input. > > I have always thought Hawl is on the board. A while back in a message I sent > to the board I "announced" Hawl's back. As far as I can recall, there is none > follow up message, including Hawl himself, that denies that. So Hawl must be > kept within this discussion. Especially we are counting on his version of > the story to reach the resolution. What I can recall is that Howl asked to remove his name from the editors list after it was put back. By the way, I just recall that when I was on aan.net last night, I didn't meet any crashes. So what its sys admin said "our log files reported that while the system crashed, you were doing tasks relating chaning system configuration" is purely a lie, and that's why he didn't show the log file. I don't think we can cooperate with such kind of a sys admin. And I don't think we can cooperate with this kind of company that when an agreetment couldn't be reached, it secretly tried to block you from entering account, and after that failed, it found an excuse to close your account. IF they think it's their machine and they can do anything on you there, there is not possibilities to collaborate, because they think they are superior to us. And how can we collaborate with them now? beg them to re-open xys account for us ? There are some bugs and typos in this web version, and since aan.net has closed xys account, I have to fix it in other sites, therefore I have moved the web version to other sites to fix the bugs and linked to it. Of course, if the resolution is that we still want to collaborate with aan.net, we can move the web version back. Collaborate with aan.net or not, they owe me an apology for telling my sys admin that I have "possibly" hacked and crashed their machine. zhouzi From shif Fri Jan 17 04:31 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id EAA14215; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:31:38 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701170931.EAA14215@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Web page problem etc. To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shi-min Fang) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:31:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com, xys@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <199701170914.EAA11874@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 17, 97 04:14:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 353 Status: RO > In http;//www.msi.umn.edu/~hchen/sample/, there is not editor list. I was wrong with this. It does has an editor list: ~{1>FZ1`<-#:7=V[WS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ~{Is8e#:!!!!I"RKIz!"P%3>!"VqHK~} So I think what Bambooman means "the names are just fine" is that his name is fine :-) (I made a mistake by saying Bambooman's name is bad :-)) zhouzi From jmarcr@unb.ca Fri Jan 17 16:52 EST 1997 Received: from unb.ca (hermes.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.20]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA08388 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jmarcr@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.10]) by unb.ca (8.7.6/961016-08:40) id RAA27065; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:52:29 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.8.4/960921-23:08) id RAA14324; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:52:21 -0400 (AST) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:52:20 -0400 (AST) From: A Ship at Sea X-Sender: jmarcr@jupiter Reply-To: A Ship at Sea To: Shi-min Fang cc: Chun Xia , hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu, hchen@msi.umn.edu, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca, xli@asia2.aan.net Subject: ~{7|083FFf!#!#!# In-Reply-To: <199701162117.QAA04325@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2589 Status: RO On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Shi-min Fang wrote: > > What's wrong with the board? > > This is not a board. In fact, here only Sanyee and I serve in XYS board. > This list was created by someone who believes XYS board should be excluded > from the discussion of XYS web version, and by someone who thinks those > XYS editors with "bad" pennames should be removed from the editors list. ~{03JGAu@P@PTT=x:s;(T0#-#-2;JG9JRb5D#,R22;V*JGTuwa8c5D>MJU5=AKUbP)CC6y!#KyRT~} ~{3C;z@4R;I$WS!#~} ~{#A!#2;Cw0W!#8wN;@O1`6<4sC{TZ0q#,TuwaSV3IAKMbN'#?#-#-;51JC{?IRT;;5DBo!#~} ~{#-#-I=R2;9JGDGWyI=#,HK2;;aRrAK1JC{>M2;JGDG8vHK!#~} ~{#B!#Ub@oKF:u6 > I believe that we are playing war game just like kids, how come somebody > > grabs dady's loaded riffle? > > Can we authorize some ownership? We do this in industry for complicated > > project and management. I will propose same idea here: > > Xiaohui has full responsibility of web pages. He should coordinate all > > the resources and makes his decision, unless we need a vote. > > Why? He is professional web master and has strong art background. > > All of us should function as consultants, proposing ideas, submitting > > draft design, critique other's artwork... but never finalize anything. > > If you think this makes sense, let's do a vote. > Anybody's contributions are always welcome. However, if anyone wants to > coordinate, authorize or manage any XYS bussiness, he should applies to > join XYS board first, and he should take the responsibility to associate > his name with XYS. ~{N*0l:C#X#Y#S#,1`<-2?S&JGR;8vME=a5D#>#,PB#<#<44Tl#>#>#,PB#<##>#?:N1XN*2;O`8I5DJB@K~} ~{7QJ1 > ChunXia > > P.S. I don't want spend any energy on politics at my spare time, I got enough > > at work! > > > Me either. I didn't realize there is politics going underground on this web > issue until two days ago. My point is very clear: if anyone enjoys to play > political games everywhere, I am sure he won't find the playyard in XYS. > Now the web version of this issue has been published, and I also asked > people to visit the other version. The users' responses are very clear if > you read xys-friends. > > zhouzi > > From hchen@msi.umn.edu Fri Jan 17 17:35 EST 1997 Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA19258 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00757; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:35:18 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id QAA05553; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:34:24 -0600 (CST) From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701172234.QAA05553@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: ~{7|083FFf!#!#!# To: jmarcr@unb.ca Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:34:22 -0600 (CST) Cc: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, chun@hsmpk15a-121.Eng.Sun.COM, hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu, hchen@s1.msi.umn.edu, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca, xli@asia2.aan.net In-Reply-To: from "A Ship at Sea" at Jan 17, 97 05:52:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1022 Status: RO ׿Ӣ£¬ ÊÇÎÒ½«ÄãµÄÃû×ַŽøÀ´µÄ¡£Ô­ÒòÊÇÎÒÈÏΪ¶Ô²»ÆðÄã¡£ You initiated the first draft, and any real one working on this draft knows how hard to INITIATE. One week before the deadline, you expressed willingness to push back the dead- line. Then I read a piece of email saying Howl or Louzhu may help out. I naively replied within minutes: yes, i will try it with Louzhu. I even specified the test site is my homepage. Unfortunately, I did not reply to you with that email, so that monday morning a piece of email from Sanyee claiming you worked out a new version. I immediately replied to him: it is common sense that without a versin control, such a network project is doomed to fail. Your iniative is indeed valuable, i mentioned between numerous phone calls. And your point that such a design cannot be downloaded from other sites without credit, striking the cord of my heart. It is ethics, that counts; whether we are web professional or not, bears not weight. For this, my apology to you and to Louzhu. --hc From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Fri Jan 17 20:15 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA14011 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA81854 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:13:33 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA157132 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:13:33 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA264894 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:13:32 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA029130010; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:13:31 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA130380033; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:13:53 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701180113.AA130380033@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: Web page problem etc. To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:13:53 PST In-Reply-To: <199701170914.EAA11874@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>; from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 17, 97 4:14 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3297 Status: RO woops, one thing i meant to say in the last message but somehow slipped through my fingers is that my name shouldn't be on the web version of aan's, 'cause i didn't do nothing for this edition. that's the only thing i found not fine with it. sorry about that. if indeed the pennames becomes an issue, i would find it hard to believe that we can't talk through it. th've been accepted -- that's how i see it. for every names that appear on both versions are in fact penname (or real name in fact? :)). now let's move on. while we are still awaiting hawl's version of the story to reach the final decision, let me pinpoint out several problems in the Web page processing even without the detailed picture. What we see were two threads take off simultaneusly, what we would assume is that there will be a reasonably agreed-upon teamwork or colaboration. This principle in both operation and the follow-on judgement has to be hold on firmly, because there was NONE clear ownership defination before that. Now, upon the completion of both versions, both parties have to 1) submit to the board their version for further commentary and 2) when one is finalized, credit to where is due as an mendatory courtesy rule. Never mind the question whether there has to be such a rush of publishing the Web version. Neither of the above rules, which I assume and expect to be followed with common sense, are regulated. Zhouzi tricked the server at AAN to take on his page, whether AAN was not operational due to conspiracy or pure hardware problem you are free to speculate(so do I, but remember this is speculation _only_), and at the following day immediately announced it. This is justified if Zhouzi has claimed the ownership of this Web edition. However, as far as I can recall this wasn't what exactly happened before the operation. In addition, rule 2) is potentially violated because none other parties have been credited. Which is fine if there are indeed none borrowing materials. I wanted to point out these not merely for the purpose of solving this deadlock, but also as lessons we all shall learn for any future operations. As for the cooperation with AAN, I had always thought, and still believe in, that this will be benefitial for both parties as long as the operations stay healthy. As things gradually got out of control and hatred mails are exchanged so on so forth, whoever was involved should cool down first and think over the faulty parts of both parties before asking questions such as who owes who an apology. Keep in mind what we are doing right now is "damage control", there are in fact more to come, such as several pieces of news carried in this edition that anguished OT people, but I thought it is relatively a less priority issue for the time being. We shall come back to that as well as the web version later. Hwal was on leave during his work transition, and as I understand was put back to the board. There shouldn't be any more confusions on that. -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From shif Fri Jan 17 23:09 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id XAA05303; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:02:18 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701180402.XAA05303@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Web page problem etc. To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:02:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701180113.AA130380033@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 17, 97 05:13:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 6458 Status: RO > woops, one thing i meant to say in the last message but somehow slipped > through my fingers is that my name shouldn't be on the web version of > aan's, 'cause i didn't do nothing for this edition. that's the only thing > i found not fine with it. sorry about that. It's xys tradition to list all editors in every issue even though they do nothing with that issue. Why the web version is so speical for this ? Is it because it will be put in aan ? There are editors who did something for this edition but their names are not there, is this fine ? > if indeed the pennames becomes an issue, i would find it hard to believe > that we can't talk through it. th've been accepted -- that's how i see it. > for every names that appear on both versions are in fact penname (or real > name in fact? :)). Sure, we can talk through it. The problem is: aan didn't want to talk through it. They made the list first, then we have to beg them to change it back ? > > now let's move on. while we are still awaiting hawl's version of the story > to reach the final decision, let me pinpoint out several problems in the > Web page processing even without the detailed picture. What we see were > two threads take off simultaneusly, what we would assume is that there > will be a reasonably agreed-upon teamwork or colaboration. This principle No, they didn't take off simultaneusly. Zhuo ying did a version first, and we were not satisfied, so hchen asked to take it over with lou zhu. I as the EE was not satisified with this new version either, so I took it over, and they refused to give up. Why zhuo ying had to give up but they didn't have to ? They think they are special ? > in both operation and the follow-on judgement has to be hold on firmly, > because there was NONE clear ownership defination before that. Now, upon To me, the ownership is always very clear. It belongs to xys. It doesn't belong to any person or any company. > the completion of both versions, both parties have to 1) submit to the board > their version for further commentary and 2) when one is finalized, credit > to where is due as an mendatory courtesy rule. We don't have this requirement. We give the executive editor superpower. It's xys tradition that the EE has the final words on the publication of xys, and this can be applied to the publication of web version by default. It's true that aan ask us to have so call "version control", but we don't take command from aan. If you don't think so, and think the publication of web version should have a special procedure, we can discuss this for the future publication, but no this published one. You cannot apply the future law to the past. > > Never mind the question whether there has to be such a rush of publishing > the Web version. Neither of the above rules, which I assume and expect to We schedualed the web version published at the same time of publication of text version, and I did. Why you think it's a rush then ? Sure, there was disagreement about its publication, but it's from outside, not from the inside of xys board. I didn't see any objection about my web version inside xys board before it's published. And even if there were objections, the EE still has the final words. > be followed with common sense, are regulated. Zhouzi tricked the server at > AAN to take on his page, whether AAN was not operational due to conspiracy or > pure hardware problem you are free to speculate(so do I, but remember this > is speculation _only_), and at the following day immediately announced it. If it's hardware problem, I should be praised by overcoming it to publish xys ON TIME. If it's a conspiracy, I should also be praised by against it to publish xys ON TIME. So what's wrong for my "tricking" it ? Only the sys admin of aan knows exactly it's hardware problem or conspiracy. I immediately reported this problem to aan. But three days has passed, aan says nothing about this problem except accusing me to my sys admin of hacking and crashing their machine. > This is justified if Zhouzi has claimed the ownership of this Web edition. Again, the ownership of web version belongs to xys, not belong to any person. > However, as far as I can recall this wasn't what exactly happened before > the operation. In addition, rule 2) is potentially violated because none > other parties have been credited. Which is fine if there are indeed none > borrowing materials. When I borrowed materials from lou zhu, I tried to credit him, but he refused and asked me to remove anything from him. So I did, and there are not borrowing materials anymore, so I don't need to credit anybody else for the design. > > I wanted to point out these not merely for the purpose of solving this > deadlock, but also as lessons we all shall learn for any future operations. > As for the cooperation with AAN, I had always thought, and still believe > in, that this will be benefitial for both parties as long as the operations What benefits xys can get ? > stay healthy. As things gradually got out of control and hatred mails are > exchanged so on so forth, whoever was involved should cool down first and > think over the faulty parts of both parties before asking questions such > as who owes who an apology. Keep in mind what we are doing right now is Anybody with objective mind can see which side is playing dirty. > "damage control", there are in fact more to come, such as several pieces xys is not damaged from this, so I don't think we need damage control. Maybe aan needs it. > of news carried in this edition that anguished OT people, but I thought I don't know why OT people will be anguished. That piece of news about OT was from the cover of the first issue OT of this year. Look at it carefully. And, if we want to report news, we should prepare to anguish people anyway. > it is relatively a less priority issue for the time being. We shall come > back to that as well as the web version later. > > Hwal was on leave during his work transition, and as I understand was put > back to the board. There shouldn't be any more confusions on that. Howl was put back to the mailing list (we keep ex-editors in the mailing list), not to the board. Check recent issues of xys, the board list doesn't contain Howl. We did try to put his name to the editor list once, but he asked to remove it. Be cool, right. But being objective and consider the benefit of xys first are more important. zhouzi From Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.net Sat Jan 18 04:02 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA03129 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 04:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA47994 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 03:02:09 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA106156 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 09:02:08 GMT Received: from rsoft.mindlink.net (mindlink.net [204.174.16.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA194982 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 03:02:07 -0600 Received: from bbs by rsoft.mindlink.net with local (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0vlWf2-0000DJ-00; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:02:00 -0800 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 00:58:45 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: About Treaty With AAN From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Message-Id: Content-Type: text Content-Length: 314 Status: RO The Board: Calm down, please. The web version is still on AAN, and I didn't see there is a 'control' problem -- we choose what articles we want to publish, right? The oral treaty is a guide line, some- time detailed precedure may be needed. Things could be ironed later. Let's wait for a while. -- Sanyee From shif Sat Jan 18 06:34 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id GAA10973; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 06:34:01 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701181134.GAA10973@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: About Treaty With AAN To: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 06:34:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: from "Sanyee Tang" at Jan 18, 97 00:58:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1139 Status: RO > > Calm down, please. The web version is still on AAN, and I didn't The web version is still there, but the xys account is closed. It's all in their hands. We have lost the control of that one. When an account was closed with a lie, everybody knows the deal is over. > see there is a 'control' problem -- we choose what articles we > want to publish, right? The oral treaty is a guide line, some- And they choose how to publish it ? Today they can choose how to publish it, tomorrow they will choose what to publish. And if we don't agree with them, they can again close our account secrectly or with an excuse. The independence of xys is not just about what, it's also about how. It's also about that we have right not to deny access to our data without proper reason. And for those who think we still should collaborate with ann, please explain why we still need to collaborate with this hostile and arrogant company. An oral treaty can serve as a test for real treaty, and they have failed this test. I have explained why we shouldn't and don't need to, and I would like to hear about why we should and need to. zhouzi From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Sat Jan 18 14:10 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA24432 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA49610 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:10:36 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA264810 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:10:36 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA212324 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:10:34 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA155284633; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:10:34 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA140464660; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:11:00 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701181911.AA140464660@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: About Treaty With AAN To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:11:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199701181134.GAA10973@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 18, 97 06:34:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 4386 Status: RO Okay then, let us at least try to put things in line here... 1) Why would I think an AAN-XYS deal can be beneficial? Several reasons that I see, a) a commercial site that targets the chinese community market has higher hit rate than whatever "edu" site we can find, thus leads to broader readerships for XYS as well and b) the contents of our magzines are not compromised and we will have full control and c) they have professional web master/designer that can help manage the web page much better than any of the current board member does. Notice that for b) I am refering to the contents only, and do not jump right on the argument on c) yet, as I shall explain shortly. Isn't that clear enough? The benefit that this relationship can bring to AAN is needless to say -- higher hit rate for them, fine. 2) problem with AAN? Now this cooperation seems in an icy edge. Zhouzi's previous msg regarding the "everything-the-best-for-xys" principle is right on, and I shall apply this principle to the following discussion. On the other hand, there is also something called as the "EE's-superpower" theorem. Fine as it sound. The caution here is that if there are conflicts between the two, which way do you choose? Do not mindlessly argue both can be blended perfectly -- I shall simply take this WEb page operation as an example. Independent of whoever describes whatever version of the story, and whatever the version of the Web we are looking at, the fact is there co-exist several designs before the publication, agree? Can I assume that zhouzi and hawl-louzu denies and reject each other's version is pure artistic disagreement with no ego-get-in-the-way? If we are gonna to take the "best-for-xys" approach, you would ask people to take a look at both before claiming it's published, won't that make sense? Even without doing so, can't you count the heads? Both Louzu and Chun have professional art background and whose works you may check out in the Web, they favored AAN's design wasn't it? Hwal sided with the AAN design too right? If I would be prompted with multple-choises I would side the same, because you guys know that I favored AAN's design in a prevous message even when neither of the designs are finetuned yet and there has been no such struggle. The head/logo design of zhouzi's page I can't disagree more. :( Don't bother now, bring up the "best-for-xys-seen-from-inside" versus the "best-for-xys-seen-from-outside" for help, isn't this a bit tiring? Why don't zhouzi then explain to us that the final-words/superpower of the EE, which happens to be Zhouzi himself this time, just so happens that matches perfectly with the "best-for-xys" choice. Some of the facts I know I have listed above, and I have to disagree. Why are you always so sure? On the other hand, I really wish I may have such a high confidence. :( What I am not happy with is that a biparitison-relasionship has been driven to the edge of a full blown-up because of mis-operation, and yet without any retrospect of one's own still accusing accusing accusing accusing? Ha! How fun it is! 3) More.. The OT news. Why can't you wait until I bring up some of the facts/material that OT people argued with me which I have no time yet to reply? If you are in such an urge to reply to them, at least you may change that "we think it's correct" to "I think it's correct" as common sense? Now congrats for draging XYS into a possible meaningless war with OT! And... that's "best-for-XYS"?? Fine, just remember when you do engage into the war, make sure use "me: this edition's XYS EE" instead of "XYS board", because I disagree. Sorry folks, I am just running a bit out of patience. :( All these rabbings, are in no way, and at any time, to undermine the the hard work Zhouzi has done, and I sincerely wish this will continue. This issue, is by large a very good one and I do know how much hardwork it sucks. But I want to seperate the contents away from the format and further away from the operation, because only through discussion in that realm can XYS stay healthy. -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From shif Sat Jan 18 19:03 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id SAA17496; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701182355.SAA17496@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: About Treaty With AAN To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:55:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701181911.AA140464660@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 18, 97 11:11:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 5495 Status: RO > 1) Why would I think an AAN-XYS deal can be beneficial? > > Several reasons that I see, a) a commercial site that targets the chinese > community market has higher hit rate than whatever "edu" site we can find, > thus leads to broader readerships for XYS as well and b) the contents of our > magzines are not compromised and we will have full control and c) they have > professional web master/designer that can help manage the web page much > better than any of the current board member does. a) cooperation with a commercial site is very dangerous, as this incident has shown. Commerical companies have to put their benefits above anything, and when they think their benefits are threatening, they will do anything to protect themselves. This is understandable, but we don't need to be controlled by them. Associating with a commercial company might also destroy xys's reputation. b) I have explained this in the mail repling to sanyee's c) I did think they have professional web masters before and was quite happy that they want to help us. However, after having looked at the version they provided, I doubt this. Lou Zhu doesn't have any degrees or background on computer science and computer graph designer. If you look at the resourse of his version, you will find he knows little html language. He even didn't know how to format the text. And he didn't show any art designs at all. Anyone with a Chinese font tool can do better job than his. > Now this cooperation seems in an icy edge. Zhouzi's previous msg regarding the > "everything-the-best-for-xys" principle is right on, and I shall apply this > principle to the following discussion. On the other hand, there is also > something called as the "EE's-superpower" theorem. Fine as it sound. The > caution here is that if there are conflicts between the two, which way do > you choose? Do not mindlessly argue both can be blended perfectly -- I shall > simply take this WEb page operation as an example. we had discussed about the possible conflict between benefit of xys and superpower of EE before. frist, we trust our EE's judgement. Second, if an EE's judgement is really bad (and this is always debatable), he can only affect one issue because the EE is rotated. > > If we are gonna to take the "best-for-xys" approach, you would ask people to > take a look at both before claiming it's published, won't that make sense? If you can recall, I did tell the board to have a look at my version and compare with the other one immediately after I drafted it. > Even without doing so, can't you count the heads? Both Louzu and Chun have > professional art background and whose works you may check out in the Web, > they favored AAN's design wasn't it? Hwal sided with the AAN design too right? Louzhu said nothing about my version until several hours before xys publication. Chun said he favored AAN's design compared with Zhuo Ying's. He didn't compare AAN's and mine. His only opinion is that the background in my version has problem, so I removed it. Again, as I said, although I repeatly asked the board to check out my version, I didn't see any objection about my version (Sanyee said "AAN's version is good enough, zhouzi's is fine"). And I didn't see any objection from the outside either, so how can I count the head ? I sent my message to the board, and howl sent most of his message to the people he chose, not the board. How can we count the head ? > If I would be prompted with multple-choises I would side the same, because you > guys know that I favored AAN's design in a prevous message even when neither of > the designs are finetuned yet and there has been no such struggle. The head/logo > design of zhouzi's page I can't disagree more. :( You gave your opinions on 1/16, after it has been published. > What I am not happy with is that a biparitison-relasionship has been driven > to the edge of a full blown-up because of mis-operation, and yet without any > retrospect of one's own still accusing accusing accusing accusing? Ha! How > fun it is! Although there were disagreements on the publication of web version, I still thought we can work with aan. I still tried to update the archive in aan site. But they closed xys account and reported to my sys admin. After this, I really don't think we can work with them anymore. They, not me, blew it. > The OT news. Why can't you wait until I bring up some of the facts/material > that OT people argued with me which I have no time yet to reply? If you are in > such an urge to reply to them, at least you may change that "we think it's > correct" to "I think it's correct" as common sense? > > Now congrats for draging XYS into a possible meaningless war with OT! And... > that's "best-for-XYS"?? Fine, just remember when you do engage into the war, > make sure use "me: this edition's XYS EE" instead of "XYS board", because I > disagree. Sanyee has asked me about this before so I think I should give a reply to explain it. I signed my letter with my name, instead of "XYS board". I am used to use "we" instead of "I" in the letter because I don't want people think I have a big ego :-). "We" represents "me and those agree with me". I posted this net news to the board before it's published, and none had opinion about it, so I think at least there are some editors agree with this news. And it's just an explaination to clarify possible misunderstanding, and I didn't use any bad words in the letter, why you think it's a war ? zhouzi From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Sun Jan 19 03:35 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id DAA06188 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 03:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA52144 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 02:34:02 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA36228 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 08:34:01 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA240984 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 02:34:00 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA254362835; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:33:55 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA146462864; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:34:24 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701190834.AA146462864@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: Treaty with AAN To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:34:24 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 6048 Status: RO > > a) cooperation with a commercial site is very dangerous, as this incident > has shown. Commerical companies have to put their benefits above anything, That's true. But it does not mean an healthy bipartisanship can't be formed. This incident has shown me nothing other than how any misconduct can lead to the real danger. > and when they think their benefits are threatening, they will do anything > to protect themselves. This is understandable, but we don't need to be Benefits? If they think the page they have to accept is not artistically favored, why do they have to take it? > controlled by them. Associating with a commercial company might also > destroy xys's reputation. > b) I have explained this in the mail repling to sanyee's Which is not true, i.e., the contents have to be tailored to their demand. Of course, alarming ones can always cry-wolf at will. :( > c) I did think they have professional web masters before and was quite > happy that they want to help us. However, after having looked at the > version they provided, I doubt this. Lou Zhu doesn't have any degrees or > background on computer science and computer graph designer. If you look > at the resourse of his version, you will find he knows little html language. > He even didn't know how to format the text. And he didn't show any art > designs at all. Anyone with a Chinese font tool can do better job than > his. I am not willing to speculate on whoever's degree whatsoever. All I can see is that his co-design with hawl (some input from ZhouYing also?) is more professional. Sorry to say that. :( > > we had discussed about the possible conflict between benefit of xys and > superpower of EE before. frist, we trust our EE's judgement. Second, if > an EE's judgement is really bad (and this is always debatable), he can > only affect one issue because the EE is rotated. Then this is fine under EE's-superpower assumption. Don't, however, brush everything under such big slogan as "best-for-xys" then. That was simply my point. Indeed the "best-for-xys" should take the highest priority, the very action that resorts to the use of this priciple means that the EE's own opinion is set for debate, which ought to lead to a fairer trial. Take other things as "best-from-my-view" is perfectly fine. This is only nature. > > If you can recall, I did tell the board to have a look at my version and > compare with the other one immediately after I drafted it. My site at csrd.uiuc was down over that big weekend, and I got your exchange mails with Chun, Hawl etc. only yesterday. Even without taking that into account, I don't see why you can't take their version if under the name of "best-for-xys" > Louzhu said nothing about my version until several hours before xys > publication. Now the timing comes into play somehow. :( > Chun said he favored AAN's design compared with Zhuo Ying's. He didn't > compare AAN's and mine. His only opinion is that the background in my > version has problem, so I removed it. Do you want to hear a more direct answer? Chun is too nice a guy to say something bad directly to someone's face. > Again, as I said, although I repeatly asked the board to check out my > version, I didn't see any objection about my version (Sanyee said "AAN's > version is good enough, zhouzi's is fine"). And I didn't see any objection > from the outside either, so how can I count the head ? Interesting. How about sent each of them a checklist? :( > I sent my message to the board, and howl sent most of his message to the > people he chose, not the board. How can we count the head ? "he choose"? may be that was a list for people involved in the design? maybe you were on the list also? maybe you were the EE who should count the heads? :( > > Although there were disagreements on the publication of web version, I still > thought we can work with aan. I still tried to update the archive in aan > site. But they closed xys account and reported to my sys admin. After this, > I really don't think we can work with them anymore. They, not me, blew it. That is a really convenient an argument. :( What if they reject your version because of artistic disapproval? If publish XYS on time is the hightest interest, why a compromise can't be reached using, say, their more professional design? What if their system was indeed in trouble at the night of 14th and they close your account because you have forced/tricked the server? Would you like some one to mess up with your machine after all? I am not speaking these as if I am sided with AAN. On the contrary, I value the XYS-AAN relationship as part of XYS treasure more and that's why. And I hope all these questions are based on nature facts. There just can't exists any faults, even if un-intentionaly, from you except things like "errrr....., I mistrust these fellows! and here is the wrongly assembled pieces so let's get rid of 'em"? :( OT related words deleted, XYS comes first. :) We can continue for a thousand years rambling at such finer details, but I'd rather stop right here. I will stick to one single principle which I wont' give up as long as I am in XYS: every relationship to the outside world, including contributors/other mags/XYS-carriers, are the only treasuries we have beside our own limited brain and time. Do not break them if you are realy so much into the "best-for-xys" slogan, and if you do, take it as a man. Just a Web page design weights much more than others? don't be ridiculous. Again, sorry for my harsh wordings. I'd like to see XYS's operation stay healthy, that's all. Zhouzi you have contributed a whole lot of time and valuable work for XYS, won't you think we are better off without all these hassles? -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From shif Sun Jan 19 05:27 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id FAA14164; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 05:15:42 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701191015.FAA14164@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Treaty with AAN To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 05:15:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701190834.AA146462864@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 19, 97 00:34:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 5972 Status: RO > > Benefits? If they think the page they have to accept is not artistically > favored, why do they have to take it? So you think the art quality of the web version should be judged and decided by aan ? If there are several versions, it's aan that decide which one to take ? Where is the independence of xys then ? Why we cannot judge it by ourselves? Why we need outside authority? If they think because the web version is put in their machine, they have right to judge and decide, fine, but we will just move to other machines to play with ourselves. > I am not willing to speculate on whoever's degree whatsoever. All I can see > is that his co-design with hawl (some input from ZhouYing also?) is more > professional. Sorry to say that. :( I don't see any "professional" in their design, and this is not just my personal feeling. Don't just ask the opinions of aan's friends. Ask more people. I haven't heard any good words about aan's design so far, except from lou zhu's friends. Sorry to say this too. > Then this is fine under EE's-superpower assumption. Don't, however, brush > everything under such big slogan as "best-for-xys" then. That was simply > my point. Indeed the "best-for-xys" should take the highest priority, the > very action that resorts to the use of this priciple means that the EE's > own opinion is set for debate, which ought to lead to a fairer trial. Take > other things as "best-from-my-view" is perfectly fine. This is only nature. You misunderstand what I mean "best-for-xys". What I means is, when deal with the outside world, always put xys' benefit at the first place. ~{2;R*3T@o0GMb~}Anything wrong with this one ? > My site at csrd.uiuc was down over that big weekend, and I got your exchange > mails with Chun, Hawl etc. only yesterday. Even without taking that into > account, I don't see why you can't take their version if under the name > of "best-for-xys" The reason is very simple. I think their version is bad, even worse than Zhuo Ying's, and I expressed my opinion here before I took it over. So under the name of "best-for-xys", I rejected it. Isn't this enough ? You assume their version is better, so I should take it for the "best-for- xys", but I don't agree with your assumption. > > > Louzhu said nothing about my version until several hours before xys > > publication. > > Now the timing comes into play somehow. :( Yes, it's they that were playing the timing. Why they couldn't tell me their objection more earlier? Isn't that dirty ? > Do you want to hear a more direct answer? Chun is too nice a guy to say > something bad directly to someone's face. If he didn't want to frankly express his opinion, how can I know his opinion? > > Again, as I said, although I repeatly asked the board to check out my > > version, I didn't see any objection about my version (Sanyee said "AAN's > > version is good enough, zhouzi's is fine"). And I didn't see any objection > > from the outside either, so how can I count the head ? > > Interesting. How about sent each of them a checklist? :( > Why should I ? Why they don't need to ? Don't you think you are applying double standards here ? > > I sent my message to the board, and howl sent most of his message to the > > people he chose, not the board. How can we count the head ? > > "he choose"? may be that was a list for people involved in the design? maybe > you were on the list also? maybe you were the EE who should count the heads? :( So you think the web version should be only decided by those involved in the design? Not the board ? > That is a really convenient an argument. :( What if they reject your version > because of artistic disapproval? If publish XYS on time is the hightest Then what if I reject their version because of artistic disapproval? Again, you are applying double standards. They can reject mine, why I cannot reject theirs ? > interest, why a compromise can't be reached using, say, their more professional > design? What if their system was indeed in trouble at the night of 14th and Right, why a compromise can't be reached using, say, my more professional design ? > they close your account because you have forced/tricked the server? Would you > like some one to mess up with your machine after all? I am not speaking these > as if I am sided with AAN. On the contrary, I value the XYS-AAN relationship Sorry, I think you are. If you are objective, you will ask for the evidence before asking this kind of questions. You assume I am probably guilty without any evidence. I have asked the sys admin of aan.net to show me and my sys admin the log files they claimed they had. Three days has passed, no reply. > We can continue for a thousand years rambling at such finer details, but > I'd rather stop right here. I will stick to one single principle which I > wont' give up as long as I am in XYS: every relationship to the outside > world, including contributors/other mags/XYS-carriers, are the only > treasuries we have beside our own limited brain and time. Do not break > them if you are realy so much into the "best-for-xys" slogan, and if you do, > take it as a man. Just a Web page design weights much more than others? > don't be ridiculous. I have my own principle too: if anyone outside wants to have relationsip with xys, he must respect the independence of xys, and never tries to interfere the operation of xys, and never tries to play politics and play dirty. We welcome, treasure and respect any contributions to xys, but we don't obey and beg anybody and downgrade ourselves ! > Again, sorry for my harsh wordings. I'd like to see XYS's operation stay > healthy, that's all. Zhouzi you have contributed a whole lot of time and > valuable work for XYS, won't you think we are better off without all these > hassles? > I want to see xys's operation stay healthy too, but I guess we have different definition of "health". For me, it means independence and self-respect. zhouzi From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Sun Jan 19 14:33 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA23599 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA54386 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:33:13 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA198940 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:33:13 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA273174 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:33:12 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA013312391; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:33:11 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA149322392; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:33:12 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701191933.AA149322392@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re; To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:33:12 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 772 Status: RO I said I won't rumbling along the details of the incidence to bore you guys, :), and I won't. Just a quick followup on the "health" defination: 1) Independence of XYS. Agree, as long as the contents are not tailored to any one's dictation, we are all set. We shall face up for anything otherwise and fight our battle. This does not apply this time, obviously. 2) The self-respect. Agree also, make sure do not replace it with your-self -respect. :( -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.net Sun Jan 19 14:52 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA28751 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA52640 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:52:23 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA264122 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:52:22 GMT Received: from rsoft.mindlink.net (mindlink.net [204.174.16.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA275104 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:52:18 -0600 Received: from bbs by rsoft.mindlink.net with local (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0vm3Hs-00059M-00; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:52:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 11:49:48 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: Keep AAN Link :-) From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Message-Id: Content-Type: text Content-Length: 256 Status: RO ~{8wN;1`PV#:~} ~{!!!!4s;o6Mv#?~} ~{!!!!NR:M:?L8AK#,K{K5TZM68eWi8e5HJBIOK{JMCwH7R;OB#::?~} ~{#(>ISj#);9JG#X#Y#S5D1`<-!#~} ~{!*!*I"RKIz~} From hchen@msi.umn.edu Sun Jan 19 17:46 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA20540 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA53680 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:46:05 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA273396 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:46:04 GMT Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA288744 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:46:02 -0600 Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA06592; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:46:01 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id QAA18291; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:45:54 -0600 (CST) X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701192245.QAA18291@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Keep AAN Link :-) To: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:45:52 -0600 (CST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sanyee Tang" at Jan 19, 97 11:49:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1210 Status: RO > > >~{8wN;1`PV#:~} > >~{!!!!4s;o6~{>Mv#?~} > >~{!!!!NR:M:?L8AK#,K{K5TZM68eWi8e5HJBIOK{JMCwH7R;OB#::?~} >~{#(>ISj#);9JG#X#Y#S5D1`<-!#~} > > >~{!*!*I"RKIz~} > > Sanyee and xys-board, i'm sort of reluctent to use this XYS account as i feel it is abused as a battle field. on the other hand, as i always do, i send contributions to this account. there is no point to argue about my status in the board. if there is some duty i am delinquent, i should be blamed. now it is purely amusing that my name was on the board maillist, is on the board, but zhouzi came out saying no. last november when sanyee asked my name, i said i prefer a general name like "Old Rain" for both my contributions and board list, but it has nothing to do my emaillist and the fact i am acting in XYS. When BBM updated his board namelist, he got my personal consent. why here comes out such a rediculous fuss? zhouzi, save your time on other points instead of my status. also, if you think AAN mistreated you, fine, you yourself go there to cry, what does that have anything to do with me or other guys in the list? --hc From shif Sun Jan 19 18:14 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id SAA29035; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:14:03 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701192314.SAA29035@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Keep AAN Link :-) To: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:14:03 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: from "Sanyee Tang" at Jan 19, 97 11:49:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 844 Status: RO > > ~{!!!!4s;o6 ~{>Mv#?~} ~{DcTuC42;K5V;SPVqHKR;HKG?ARR*GsSk#a#a#nPx=;DX#?~}:-) ~{PBSoK?UJ:E1;9X#,=;JGTg>M6OAK#,OVTZ5DNJLbJGR*2;R*;V84#?~} > > ~{!!!!NR:M:?L8AK#,K{K5TZM68eWi8e5HJBIOK{JMCwH7R;OB#::?~} > ~{#(>ISj#);9JG#X#Y#S5D1`<-!#~} > ~{TZ:?;X5=Ub8v~}list~{5DJ1:r#,NRTxNJK{R*2;R*;X5=1`<-2?#,K{CwH7OrNR~} ~{1mJ>2;R*#,V;T8RbWvN*1`MbHKT1N*PBSoK?WwJB!#KyRTTZ:s@4C?R;FZ5DIs8e~} ~{C{5%VP6MJGPBSoK?5D1`<-#,UbJG1XPkCwH75D!#~} ~{AmMb#,:?K5#a#a#nHg:N6T4}NR#,JGNR8vHK5DJB!#UbJG2;6T5D#,NRWvN*PBSoK?~} ~{5D6TMbA*O5HK:M1>TB5DTpHN1`<-#,Hg4K1;HK6T4}#,TuC4?IRTK5JGNR8vHK5DJB#?~} ~{RT:s5DTp1`R*JGSVSk#a#a#n2;:M#,R21;K{CGHg4K6T4}#,R2JG8vHK5DJB#?~} ~{7=V[WS~} From hchen@msi.umn.edu Sun Jan 19 18:36 EST 1997 Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA05590 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA06700; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:36:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id RAA18366; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:36:10 -0600 (CST) From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701192336.RAA18366@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Keep AAN Link :-) To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shi-min Fang) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:36:09 -0600 (CST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <199701192314.SAA29035@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 19, 97 06:14:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1014 Status: RO > >~{TZ:?;X5=Ub8v~}list~{5DJ1:r#,NRTxNJK{R*2;R*;X5=1`<-2?#,K{CwH7OrNR~} >~{1mJ>2;R*#,V;T8RbWvN*1`MbHKT1N*PBSoK?WwJB!#KyRTTZ:s@4C?R;FZ5DIs8e~} >~{C{5%VP6~{T1!#N*PBSoK?WvJB2;R;6(>MJGPBSoK?5D1`<-#,UbJG1XPkCwH75D!#~} >~{AmMb#,:?K5#a#a#nHg:N6T4}NR#,JGNR8vHK5DJB!#UbJG2;6T5D#,NRWvN*PBSoK?~} >~{5D6TMbA*O5HK:M1>TB5DTpHN1`<-#,Hg4K1;HK6T4}#,TuC4?IRTK5JGNR8vHK5DJB#?~} >~{RT:s5DTp1`R*JGSVSk#a#a#n2;:M#,R21;K{CGHg4K6T4}#,R2JG8vHK5DJB#?~} > >~{7=V[WS~} > xys board, i hope this is last piece from me to xys, irrelavent with contributions. 1. i asked zhouzi to remove my name from xys-friends list before, he did not; in last march, i formally request again, he did. it has nothing to do with XYS board, it is just because i do not want my name on a list without my permission. 2. i never ask irrelavent party to put or remove my name from or to any maillist. the name on xys@uiuc.edu, was requested by me, and again updated with my consent. --hc From shif Sun Jan 19 19:00 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id TAA12796; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:00:09 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701200000.TAA12796@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Keep AAN Link :-) To: hchen@msi.umn.edu (Hao Chen) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:00:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701192336.RAA18366@s13.msi.umn.edu> from "Hao Chen" at Jan 19, 97 05:36:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1166 Status: RO > > i hope this is last piece from me to xys, irrelavent with contributions. > > 1. i asked zhouzi to remove my name from xys-friends list before, > he did not; in last march, i formally request again, he did. it > has nothing to do with XYS board, it is just because i do not > want my name on a list without my permission. Why suddently mentioned xys-friends? Do you try to imply that you just left xys-friends but never quit XYS board ? I believe most of editors still remember I and Langren sent you a goodbye mail when you announced you quit xys board. > > 2. i never ask irrelavent party to put or remove my name from or to > any maillist. the name on xys@uiuc.edu, was requested by me, and > again updated with my consent. Right, you were put back to xys@uiuc.edu, just as we keep other ex-editors in xys@uiuc.edu. But you were never back to xys board (xys board is not equal to xys@uiuc.edu) and refused to be put back to xys board. If now you want to back to xys board, we can still consider this, but don't try to mess the list and the board, and confuse people that you never quit xys board or has been back to the board. zhouzi From YANG@D0GS01.FNAL.GOV Sun Jan 19 21:53 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA09344 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA57424 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:52:57 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA16198 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:52:55 GMT Received: from D0GS01.FNAL.GOV (d0gs01.fnal.gov [131.225.111.43]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA16188 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:52:54 -0600 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:52:54 -0600 (CST) X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: YANG@D0NYU2.FNAL.GOV To: xys@uiuc.edu Message-Id: <970119205254.4d4004ba@D0NYU2.FNAL.GOV> Subject: my comments Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3997 Status: RO To every one on the board: It may be inevitable that we will have such an internal dispute to such an extent. It is just a little ironic that it happens at the time XYS has completed 3 years of publication and begins to move forward to a new direction. I think we ought not to get too emotional in order to identify the important issues and find solutions. 1. Hao quit from the board when he was busy in a transition period of his life. CC joined the board. When Hao regained internet access, CC claimed his arrangement with hao was over and quit from the board. Although we wanted to keep CC too, implicitly at least in my understanding we had accepted hao as a member again. He may not have resumed a full duty as an editor. In any event, this is not an issue here. 2. To coopperate with a commercial company, we gain stability of a web site, get help with their resources and attract new readerships because AAN especially targets on chinese communities. Because it is a cooperation, we have to compromise on something and trust other party with their abilities. In my understanding, we let AAN design a web page and we still have total control over what contents should be carried. We may not be satisfied with their design, and they may not be satisfied with our contents or style, but all these should be communicated rationally and with mutual respect. If normal reasoning fails, we can break up. In this case we do need a written agreement (or somethin like it) to protect XYS' rights( also prevent XYS' be taken over in such a case). But to me more importantly it is how we do it, unless we want to isolate ourselves without any cooperation and intimidate as many people as possible. In the case of the web version, the one whose server carrys it always has a final word no matter whether it is a company or a free site. Even if we find a volunteer who can do all the design work and web pages, can we keep him/her long if he/she doesn't have a final word on the part he/she is responsible for? We all have different aesthetic ideas or standards. Even reknown artists can't agree with each other. So which version is better is not an issue to me here. But how we deal with the situation is. We have one month time for next issue, why could we give this AAN- XYS cooperation a try on a differnt EE's hand? If the web version is not to most editors' taste and satisfaction, and our reasonable oppinions can't get through, then I won't oppose a break up. 3. This web version was originated from ZhuoYing, right? And she is not in the board. So I think her credit should be acknowdged in the web version somewhere. Forgive me if I overlooked in both web versions. 4. OT issue. Some times we don't have sensibility of other readers. But we do know choice of words can be neutral. I think we ought to express ourselves in order to attain healthy relationships among all editors. Zhouzi may feel a lot sayings has been targeted at him. But as a friend, I have to say this honestly. You are just like everyone of us. Flawed. You have excelent talents, you are ensusiastic and hard working, one of driving forces behind XYS's three years success. But sometime your virtue may turn into your weakness. If you are just an independent writer, poet, I don't really care what you do, how many people you have turned into your enemies. But I do feel your ego somehow sometime gets in the way too much as an editor. I am not here to judge anyone, but when we want to work together as a team and continue work as a team, I have to speak out what I feel. This incident itself is not a big deal in my oppinion. We can always break up with an outside company. Rather the inner mutual understanding and unity of the board is what I want to achieve. Correct me if I say anything wrong. If this understanding is not achieved, it is just a matter of time that XYS group will be broken up. I'd rather not see that. I hope we can all put this behind us very soon. langren From shif Sun Jan 19 22:18 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id WAA18211; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:18:08 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701200318.WAA18211@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: ~{?l56U6BRBi~} To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:18:08 -0500 (EST) Cc: shif (Shi-min Fang) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 779 Status: RO ~{R;!"#a#a#nHvAK8v;Q9X5tPBSoK?5DUJ:E#,NRR2A"<40Q6`C=Le0fW*RF5=~} ~{1p5D;zFw#,Rr4K#a#a#n:MPBSoK?J5v#,Hg9{N41m>v;r1m>vN4M(~} ~{9}#,TrN,3VD?G06O=;5DW4L,!#~} ~{6~!":?SZH%DjKDTB7]P{2<@k?*PBSoK?#,RT:sR2R;TY1mJ>2;T8;X5=1`<-~} ~{2?9$Ww#,WTH%DjKDTBFp1`<-2?C{5%VP<4RQ0Q:?3}C{!#Hg9{K{OVTZ8D1d~} ~{W"Rb#,R*Gs;X5=1`<-2?#,Tr1XPkLa3vIjGkR*Gs1m>v#,Hg9{N41m>v;r1m~} ~{>vN4M(9}#,:?HT2;JtPBSoK?1`<-2?5D3IT1#,2"GRRT:s2;5CRTHN:N7=J=~} ~{6TMb4z1mPBSoK?!#~} ~{H}!"8y>]PBSoK?5D9f6(:M4+M3#,Tp1`JG51TB5D6@2CU_#,6TPBSoK?5D3v~} ~{0f!"1`EESPWn:s5D>v6(H(!#Hg9{SPK-6T4KSPRlRi#,1XPkLa3v1m>v#,Hg}~ ~{9{N41m>v;r1m>vN4M(9}#,TrHTN,3VOVW4#,Tp1`HTJG51TB5D6@2CU_!#~} ~{7=V[WS~} From shif Sun Jan 19 23:27 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id XAA13633; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:26:58 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701200426.XAA13633@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: ~{PT8qNJLb~} To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:26:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: shif (Shi-min Fang) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1139 Status: RO ~{SP9XiOi-Jw5DDGF*1(5@#,KdJGNRP45D#,5+TZ7"1mG08wN;6M0QUK6MBdAKOB3KAK#,>MOsR*1H=OA=8v~}web ~{0f1>5DSEAS#,K52;3vKyRTH;@4#,V;;aR;6xTYTY6xH}5X9%;w1pHKGV78AK0fH(~} ~{R;Qy!#~} ~{NRTZMxIO5DPT8q#,R22;JG5=OVTZ2ESP5D!#OVTZHg4K#,H}DjG0R2Hg4K!#H}Dj~} ~{G0NRLaRi440lPBSoK?J1#,>MSPHKK5NR@b=G7VCwRWSZ5CWoHK#,?VEB3I2;AKJB!#~} ~{H}Dj@4NR5DMxIOPT8q2"N^K?:A8D1d#,PBSoK?KF:uR22"C;SPRr4K=-:SHUOB#,~} ~{TuC4NR5DPT8qOVTZ746x3IAKNJLb#?~} ~{3I9&5D1`<-#,2"7G>MR;6(JG@O:CHK!#NRHOJ65D1`<-VPSP@bSP=G8vPT7VCw5D~} ~{6`5CJG!#:N?vNRTY3e#,R2;9C;SP3e5=JW4NSkHKM(5g;0#,R;?*?Z>MR*8zHK1H~} ~{K-8|6.RUJu8|6.Ih5D3I9&#,2;TZSZJG7qD\9;Sk<8N;MxIOC{HK8c:C9XO5!#9c4sMxVZ5D~} ~{2NSk!"V'3VJG8|N*VXR*5D!#~} ~{1`<-2?@o?IRTSP2;M,PT8q5DHK#,V;R*1'WE92M,0QTSV>0l:C5DD?5D#,?*3O2<9+#,~} ~{2;8cP!6/Ww#,6_5DHK!#UbR;5c#,NRTZH%~} ~{DjKDTB7]>MRQK59}#,2;TYVX84!#~} ~{7=V[WS~} From zpzhang@math.Princeton.EDU Sun Jan 19 23:39 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA18193 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA55112 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:38:47 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA172298 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 04:38:47 GMT Received: from and.Princeton.EDU (root@and.Princeton.EDU [128.112.16.144]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA115200 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:38:45 -0600 Received: from nutmeg.Princeton.EDU (nutmeg.Princeton.EDU [128.112.16.47]) by and.Princeton.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA22249 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by nutmeg.Princeton.EDU (4.1/Math-Client) id AA20156; Sun, 19 Jan 97 23:33:29 EST Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:33:29 -0500 (EST) X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: "Zhaohui P. Zhang" To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: ~{9XSZ#A#A#NSk6`C=Le0f~} Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 964 Status: RO ~{8wN;1`R/#:~} ~{#1#.6`C=Le0fR}Fp5DUbC46`UyV4#,NROkNRCG513u6y?I!#Ub~} ~{!!!!QyIhu5C3IA"<H%K{CGHON*2;9;!0RUJu!15D~} ~{!!!!NDUB!#UbJG2;D\=SJ\5D!##A#A#N7=CfS&8C8x3v=bJM!#Hg9{#A#A#N2;D\~} ~{!!!!1\Cb@`KFJB<~5D7"Iz#,NRHON* Message-Id: <199701200744.CAA21149@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: ~{TYB^`B<8>d~} To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:44:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: shif (Shi-min Fang) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1068 Status: RO ~{1`<-VPSP<8N;Sk#a#a#nFDSPT(T4#,Ub8vNRJGV*5@5D#,513uR2JGRrN*UbR;~} ~{5c#,>u5CSP1`<-5DEsSQTZ@oCf#,S&8C:C0lJB#,NR2EM,Rb8z#a#a#n:OWw#,~} ~{KcJG0o#a#a#nR;5cC&#,KdH;NR4S@4>M2;HON*NRCGSP1XR*8zHN:NILR59+K>~} ~{:OWw!#Ok2;5=MjH+2;JGUbC4R;;XJB!#~} ~{6TUbP)1`<-#,NRR22;OkTYH%K57~K{CG#,SPK=HK5DRrKX2tTSTZ@oCf#,K57~~} ~{2;AK5D!#R22;V8M{K{CGD\8z#a#a#n;.Ge=gO^#,1O>92;:CI(EsSQ5DA3Bp!#~} ~{5+JGOVTZ:OWwRQ>-VP6O#,Hg:NOkR*VXPB?*J<#,V;D\4SM7@4!#513uM,RbSk~} ~{#a#a#n:OWw5D#,V;SPI"RK!"VqHK!"@KHK:MNRKDHK#,Rr51J1V;SP0KC{1`N/~} ~{#(P%3>;9N4=x@4#)#,KcJGCcG?M(9}#,FdK{1`N/;r2;M,Rb;rN41mJ>Rb<{!#~} ~{04NRCG5D9_@}#,2;1mJ>Rb<{U_04746TKc!#K-Ok0Q6O5t5D:OWwTY=SIO5D#,~} ~{>MGkAP3vOjO85Dv!#Hg9{~} ~{D\@-5=Wc9;5DT^3IF1#,WTH;?IRTTY8zK{CG:OWw!#VASZNR8vHK#,JG>v2;;a~} ~{TYH%8zUbQy5D9+K>4r=;5@5D#,K{CGRQ>-MjH+J'H%AKNR5DPEHN:MWpVX!#~} ~{FdK|5D;0>MIYK50I#,K56`AK2;9}IKAK:MFx!#NRV;OkTYLaPQR;OB#,DZ2?5D~} ~{LVB[2;D\8fK_8xN^9X5DMbHK#,JGR;FpWvJB5DR;On3#J6!#Hg9{TYOsRTG0DG~} ~{Qy0QDZD;M8B68xMbHK#,TZ#a#c#tIO<{5=>]4K30P&PBSoK?5DL{WS#,?I1p9V~} ~{NR2;?MFx!#~} ~{7=V[WS~} From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Mon Jan 20 03:29 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id DAA23725 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 03:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA49780 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:29:02 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA58682 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:29:01 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA137502 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:29:00 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA108938939; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:28:59 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA156638942; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:29:02 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701200829.AA156638942@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: take a break now? To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:29:02 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1600 Status: RO Okay, these days have been quite some typing excercises so far, hehe. :( Thanx for Waveman, I am now carrying an ice bag with me around the room. :) I shall skip a whole lot and go directly to, first, Sanyee's voting process. Here is the landscape we are looking at: XYS-AAN goes on? Zhouzi: NO+NO+NO+NO+NO == NO Bamboo: Yes Sanyee: Yes Hawl: Yes Waveman:Yes, see how next EE goes AFei: Yes, but if AND only iff the penname is not an issue Let's say 4.5:1? Anyone find I've distorted the fact please let me know, and I shall correct promptlyy. As for the penname issue, Afei can contact AAN directly, or I can contact them and CC one copy to you, which way do you prefer? drop a line for me. We shall be looking forwad to hear from other active editors' vote, AYi? XiaoChen?("you guys stinks!" :) OT issue. No one is forcing the fault on you alone, Zhouzi. Read clearfully of my earliest mail that pumps the news. If I was given the chance of explaining to the board before you rush out the letter, the first thing that I will claim is my own responlity of not looking at the news alarmingly enough. And when I mentioning the "war", that was anything follow up your reply not the reply itself. Confusing isn't it? Well, it's deep into the night. Let's come back to it later. -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From shif Mon Jan 20 04:23 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id EAA27038; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 04:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701200912.EAA27038@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: take a break now? To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 04:12:43 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701200829.AA156638942@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 20, 97 00:29:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2103 Status: RO > > I shall skip a whole lot and go directly to, first, Sanyee's voting process. > Here is the landscape we are looking at: Bamboo, I have to say I am very disappointed by what you just said. If you want to play this kind of trick, to rape other people's will, to count a non-exit vote, and to jump to a conclusion, I really have to doubt your motive to associate aan to xys so eagerly. > XYS-AAN goes on? If you want other people to vote for something, give a detail proposal, not just use a vague sentence to fool voters. > Zhouzi: NO+NO+NO+NO+NO == NO > Bamboo: Yes > Sanyee: Yes > Hawl: Yes Howl is not an editor of XYS, so his vote is invalid. > Waveman:Yes, see how next EE goes So what he means is that if the next EE isn't going well, we need to conduct a vote again? We have to vote for this issue every month? What a joke ! > AFei: Yes, but if AND only iff the penname is not an issue Afei's opinion is apparently a "no". His concern is not just about the penname. He just used it as an example. As I remember, in his first mail, he said "if aan tries to intefere the operation of xys, we should thank them and say goodbye". I totally agree with this, so you want to count me as a "yes, but if and only if" too ? And claim everybody says "yes" ? Since afei is here, I will leave him to explain if you have distorted his opinions. > > Let's say 4.5:1? Anyone find I've distorted the fact please let me know, and > I shall correct promptlyy. As for the penname issue, Afei can contact AAN > directly, or I can contact them and CC one copy to you, which way do you prefer? > drop a line for me. We shall be looking forwad to hear from other active > editors' vote, AYi? XiaoChen?("you guys stinks!" :) You'd better ask them to explain why there are only three editors are listed in aan's web version. This is about the history, not about the future. Don't try to force other people to vote, particulary when you claim there is a landslide victory. People has right to keep silence if they don't agree with a topic -- we give people this right in our procedure. zhouzi From zpzhang@math.Princeton.EDU Mon Jan 20 04:39 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA01648 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 04:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA52206 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 03:38:53 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA156418 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:38:53 GMT Received: from and.Princeton.EDU (root@and.Princeton.EDU [128.112.16.144]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA132860 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 03:38:52 -0600 Received: from tea.Princeton.EDU (zpzhang@tea.Princeton.EDU [128.112.16.7]) by and.Princeton.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id EAA28139; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 04:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (zpzhang@localhost) by tea.Princeton.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.12) id EAA08288; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 04:29:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 04:29:29 -0500 (EST) X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: "Zhaohui P. Zhang" To: Zheng Zhang cc: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: Re: take a break now? In-Reply-To: <199701200829.AA156638942@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 764 Status: RO On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Zheng Zhang wrote: > > XYS-AAN goes on? > Zhouzi: NO+NO+NO+NO+NO == NO > Bamboo: Yes > Sanyee: Yes > Hawl: Yes > Waveman:Yes, see how next EE goes > AFei: Yes, but if AND only iff the penname is not an issue > > Let's say 4.5:1? Anyone find I've distorted the fact please let me know, and > should count me on the other side :) i should be counted as 0 on yes side and 0.5 to 1 on NO side (if a definite vote is required, count mine as NO). My point is that if AAN removed the EE's penname because they think they are not artistic, there is no way we can cooperate with them. If it is purely miscommunication or misunderstanding, we should try to resolve this matter. Zhuren, would you like to ask AAN to clarify it? Jeff From shif Mon Jan 20 05:54 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id FAA04128; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 05:54:35 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701201054.FAA04128@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: ~{H}DjKfOk~} To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 05:54:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: shif (Shi-min Fang) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1363 Status: RO ~{PBSoK?2R5->-S*AKH}Dj#,W\Kc433vAK5cC{LC#,TZILHKQ[@oR2>MSPAK~} ~{@{SC<[V5#,3IAKR;P!?i7JHb#,OkR*ML3TK|AK#,6x6TSZ8RSZWh@9FdR;~} ~{M3=-:~5DC@CN5D#,R21XS{VAV.K@5X6x:s?l!#PR:CPBSoK?2;7&VZHK5D~} ~{V'3V#,R;2;H14f55;zFw:M7"PPG~5@#,6~2;PhR*G.#,;9C;SPBd5=R*UR~} ~{??I=2ED\Iz4f5D5X2=#,R22ED\1#3V0l?/5D6@A"PT!#JGILHKSPGsSZNR#,~} ~{6x2;JGNRSPGsSZHK#,DGC4HHPDVw6/8IJ2C4DX#?~} ~{513uNRM,RbJTR;JT8z#a#a#n5D:OWw#,G0La>MJGR*1#3VPBSoK?5DMjH+~} ~{5D6@A"PT!##a#a#n5DHK51J1R24pS&5CM&K,?l5D#,La3v5DN(R;5DR*Gs~} ~{>MJG0Q6`C=Le0f7ETZK{CGDG@o#,6x2;R*7ETZ1p5D5X7=!#VASZPBSoK?~} ~{3vJ2C4#,TuC43v#,K{CGK56<2;;a9\!#Ok2;5=R;JTV.OBMjH+2;JGDG;X~} ~{JB!#K{CG;9V;8RM5M5C~C~5X8cP!6/Ww#,746xJGNRCG5D1`N/HON*M4SC;Ok9}R*2eJVPBSoK?5DTKWw#?NRCGSV:N1X~} ~{H%J\Ub8vFx#?SV:N1XH%6`Ub8vJB#?~} ~{OkWvJB#,>M2;R*EB5CWoHK!#B3Q85CWo5DHK?IN=6`RS#,2;UUQy0l?/No~} ~{0l5CM&;65D#?513u!6SoK?!75DHK#,2;V*SPN^H0B3R/R*8z!6PBTB!7!6~} ~{44Tl!78c:C9XO55D#?5CWoAKR;8vHK#,K52;6(>MUyH!AKJ.8vLVQaUb8v~} ~{HK5DHK#,EBJ2C4DX#?~} ~{OkR*1m>v#,R2?IRT!#OjOjO8O85XK5Cw@mSI#,AP3vLu<~#,La3v7=08#,~} ~{;X4pRINJ#,TYU}J=1m>v!#1m>vJ1JG>MJG#,2;>M2;#,2;D\MOD`4xK.!#~} ~{!0Hg9{K{CGTuQy#,NR>MM,Rb!1DGJGLVB[#,2;JG1m>v!#C@9zHKQ!W\M3~} ~{J1R22;D\TZQ!F1IOP4IO!0Dc2;TvK0#,NRUbR;F12EKcJGQ!Dc!10I#?~} ~{OkR*Mf5cJVMsCI;l9}H%JG2;PP5D!#G?E$5D9O2;LpBo!#~} ~{7=V[WS~} From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Mon Jan 20 14:30 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA17514 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA58738 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:26:11 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA249134 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:26:11 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA185124 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:26:09 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA219208369; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:26:09 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA160608374; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:26:14 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701201926.AA160608374@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: take a break now? To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:26:13 PST In-Reply-To: <199701200912.EAA27038@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>; from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 20, 97 4:12 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2406 Status: RO Zhouzi, cool down and have some logic here, will you? :( Now, on why a vote -- XYS-AAN is set on stake. You claim is that it's over at the first place, but my view is that it could be YOUR mis-operation that ruin the binding. Check out the msg AAN's sys-admin sent to us a while back, though it's addressed to XYS, it's directed to you specifically. I assume that's the foundation of Waveman's reasoning that we shall move on to next EE (again, correct me if I am wrong), which is purely acceptable. I shall contact AAN to clarify what's their view/decision as well. If they decide to withdraw, this motion is automatically dropped by default. Within the board, therefore, we have a controversy to resolve don't we? I personally still see XYS-AAN can be mutually benefitial, downgrade them to whatever degree as you will, but keep it as your view only. A larger problem is beyand the scope of XYS-AAN issue and is in essense how we deal with any cooperations with others as well as the author-pool. We shall fomulate our way to resolve any upcoming conflicts, this is just one example we shall exercise, right? Okay, I am currently moderating the vote, if any one find I am biased please feel free to suggest new ones. Keep on rumbling on Hawl's right of speaking herein on this issue is totally irrelevent and insulting, several of us have already voices our opinions on this. I hereby aplogize for Afei's ticket and change his score accordingly. On the other hand, Afei was worried that EE's penname is removed from the Web version, which is not true, please check this out. It's the complete editors' list that is missing, I personally see this as no big deal at all. Because I may very well do the same when I am working on the Web page and find no space left. I am going to contact AAN on the penname issue and cc a copy to Afei, when their reply comes, Afei would you mind forward it directly to the board? Thanx and have a good day. I am going to have a very pressing workday so will get back to this only at night. Meanwhile, stay cool and rest the so-called quick-knife. -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From shif Mon Jan 20 16:30 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id QAA18455; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:19:08 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701202119.QAA18455@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: take a break now? To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:19:08 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701201926.AA160608374@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 20, 97 11:26:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2812 Status: RO > > Now, on why a vote -- XYS-AAN is set on stake. You claim is that it's > over at the first place, but my view is that it could be YOUR mis-operation > that ruin the binding. Check out the msg AAN's sys-admin sent to us a while > back, though it's addressed to XYS, it's directed to you specifically. > I assume that's the foundation of Waveman's reasoning that we shall move > on to next EE (again, correct me if I am wrong), which is purely acceptable. > Could you be specific that how I mis-operated this? AAN claimed that I hacked and crashed their machine, without any evidences, and you believe their claiming too ? I have asked them the evidences for five days, and got nothing. Don't you feel strange? Where is the trust ? Wavman's account has problems. Some of my mails to the xys@uiuc were bounced from his account, therefore, I don't think he has the whole picture on this issue. > > Okay, I am currently moderating the vote, if any one find I am biased please > feel free to suggest new ones. Keep on rumbling on Hawl's right of speaking > herein on this issue is totally irrelevent and insulting, several of us have > already voices our opinions on this. How many ? Three, right ? You think three votes is enough to accept a new editor ? Of course Howl has right to speak here. He can say whatever he wants to say. But he is not an editor, therefore his vote is invalid. Isn't this clear ? He refused to be an editor after his address was put back to the mailing list, and just several days ago, he claimed that he doesn't want his name associate with xys. Now his vote becomes critical, and he wants to automatically be the editor so he can vote ? I don't buy this. And there is not voting process here, because what you ask people to vote is too vague, can be interpret in many ways, just look at how you interpret afei's "vote" ! Don't try to use the "vote" to push me. I don't accept this kind of "voting process" and its result. > > I hereby aplogize for Afei's ticket and change his score accordingly. On > the other hand, Afei was worried that EE's penname is removed from the > Web version, which is not true, please check this out. It's the complete > editors' list that is missing, I personally see this as no big deal at all. > Because I may very well do the same when I am working on the Web page and > find no space left. You misunderstand what afei's point again, on purpose or not I don't want to guess. Yes, there is an editor list in aan's web version, which only contains three editors names (plus the EE), and Sanyee and I received a mail from Howl asking us to request other editors to change their names otherwise their names would be removed. Isn't this clear ? Why you try to mislead other editos by saying "the complete editors' list is missing" ? zhouzi From xli@asia2.aan.net Mon Jan 20 16:46 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA04727 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA56024 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:41:57 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA197112 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:41:57 GMT Received: from asia2.aan.net (asia2.aan.net [206.135.33.3]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA45796 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:41:56 -0600 Received: from frank.aan.net ([206.135.33.179]) by asia2.aan.net (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id NAA12247 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:42:34 -0800 Message-ID: <32E3E839.7C7F@asia2.aan.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:48:41 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: "Henry, X. H. Li" Reply-To: xli@asia2.aan.net Organization: AAN.NET X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: AAN and XYS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 2017 Status: RO Dear XYS Board Members: I am writing to you in attempt to clarify some misunderstanding between AAN and XYS. We received an e-mail on Jan 15 from Mr. Fang Shimin regarding to the privileges set for XYS sccount. In his e-mail he indicated that he had "played some tricks" on our network system in the night of Jan 14th. Since we have just suffered a system crash in that night, we have to asked him to specify what "tricks" that he played on our system in our investigation of the system breakdown (we do not keep track on users unix commands so far although we may start doing it soon). Meanwhile, as protecting measure, we have temporarily disabled the XYS account as any system administrator would usually do with hacking users. This misunderstanding, if any, was caused by the "tricks" that Mr. Fang played. We also received a personal e-mail from Mr. Fang claiming the termination of AAN-XYS relationship. We think this relationship was established through official agreement between XYS and AAN, so any individual can not end it. If XYS no longer want to cooperate with AAN, we need to see an official letter from the XYS board. As far as AAN ia concerned, we wish our relationship to continue beyond this incident. Best regards, Henry X.H. Li Webmaster of AAN Atatchments ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: file permission problem in aan.net Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 06:28:22 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang To: xli@aan.net CC: xys@uiuc.edu I tried to update the html files in www.xys.aan.net tonite, but found out that the user of all html files and subdirectories was changed to "83" instead of "xys". I, as the user "xys", couldn't do any modification in "xys" account: > aan: {63} % chmod 755 library.html > chmod: library.html: Operation not permitted I used a trick to change some of files back to "xys", but before this problem is really solved, I won't upload any new archives to aan.net. zhouzi From shif Mon Jan 20 18:54 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id SAA07011; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:54:22 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701202354.SAA07011@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: AAN and XYS To: xli@asia2.aan.net Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:54:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <32E3E839.7C7F@asia2.aan.net> from "Henry, X. H. Li" at Jan 20, 97 01:48:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2565 Status: RO > We received an e-mail on Jan 15 from Mr. Fang Shimin regarding > to the privileges set for XYS sccount. In his e-mail he indicated > that he had "played some tricks" on our network system in the > night of Jan 14th. Since we have just suffered a system crash > in that night, we have to asked him to specify what "tricks" > that he played on our system in our investigation of the > system breakdown (we do not keep track on users unix commands > so far although we may start doing it soon). Meanwhile, as protecting > measure, we have temporarily disabled the XYS account as any system > administrator would usually do with hacking users. This > misunderstanding, if any, was caused by the "tricks" that Mr. Fang > played. In the message sent to xys board and sys admin of University of Rochester, the sys admin of aan.net claimed: > Yesterday night, our computer system went down without apparent > reason. This have caused unrecoverable loss on our network and > cutomers' data. We have studied all log files and were reported that you > worked on tasks concerning system configurations during that time. This contrasts to what you said "we do not keep track on users unix commands so far". Your sys admin closed xys account in aan.net was not because of my report, was because the log file shows that I did something on the system configuration. I have asked the log file sent to me five days ago, and I haven't received it yet. Both of statements from aan.net cannot be true. Either the sys admin of aan.net or the webmaster of aan.net is wrong. And, I reported you I had to do some tricks to change the file permission at the day before "yesterday night", so it caused the crash one day later ? At "yesterday night", I didn't do anything on aan.net machine and didn't meet any crash. > We also received a personal e-mail from Mr. Fang claiming the > termination of AAN-XYS relationship. We think this relationship > was established through official agreement between XYS and AAN, > so any individual can not end it. If XYS no longer want to cooperate > with AAN, we need to see an official letter from the XYS board. > As far as AAN ia concerned, we wish our relationship to continue > beyond this incident. > There is not "official agreement" between xys and aan. It's just an informal agreement between xys and aan, and signed by me. And I didn't formally inform aan the termination of aan-xys relationship. I just indicated that since there is not trust exists, I don't see how xys and aan can have any further cooperation. zhouzi From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Mon Jan 20 22:15 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA05344 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA52598 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:15:02 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA288672 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 03:15:02 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA116600 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:14:59 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA033556499; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:14:59 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA170006505; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:15:05 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701210315.AA170006505@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: AAN and XYS To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:15:05 PST In-Reply-To: <199701202354.SAA07011@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>; from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 20, 97 6:54 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 817 Status: RO Let's move on. Now that AAN's reply has gone back, the motion for a vote is still valid I suppose? AAN's reply to the nics has arrived also, but I'd prefer Afei to forward it to the board instead. Under the assumption that the vote is valid, there is no such thing called "reject-reject-reject-reject", :(, if you do not want to forfeit your vote, use it. Again, apologize for adding Afei to the wrong bin. :( Please update your score shall there be any change. Take it easy, and thanx for all. -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.net Tue Jan 21 02:32 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id CAA21064 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 02:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA63298 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:32:04 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA285078 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:32:04 GMT Received: from rsoft.mindlink.net (mindlink.net [204.174.16.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA227210 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:32:03 -0600 Received: from bbs by rsoft.mindlink.net with local (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0vmagb-0003oK-00; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:32:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 23:28:52 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: Sanyee's Vote From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Message-Id: Content-Type: text Content-Length: 569 Status: RO ~{8wN;1`PV#:~} ~{!!!!NR5D@m=bJG:?J-Qi!#~} ~{!!!!K31cK5CwR;8v1>JG3#J65DNJLb!##X#Y#S4S@4C;SP9f6(9}2;M6F1>MKc746T#,V;~} ~{SPTZQ!>YPB1`<-J1#,RrN*R*Gs9}0kJ}HKM,Rb#,V[WSTxTZCC6y@oK59}#,2;M,Rb5DHK~} ~{V;R*2;M6F1>MPPAK#,:sCf;97EAKP&A3!C#-#)!#TZQ!PB1`<-J1#,8wN;2;1X3P5#K5HK~} ~{;5;05DM4?`!C#-#)!#~} ~{!*!*I"RKIz~} From hchen@msi.umn.edu Tue Jan 21 02:43 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id CAA21797 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 02:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA47866 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:43:15 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA04966 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:43:15 GMT Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA64864 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:43:14 -0600 Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA11956; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:43:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id BAA01574; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:43:10 -0600 (CST) X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701210743.BAA01574@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Sanyee's Vote To: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:43:08 -0600 (CST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sanyee Tang" at Jan 20, 97 11:28:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 233 Status: RO as i mentioned so many times, if i was delinquent, i am blamed. for the issue of coordinate between AAN and XYS, i surely vote for YES. --hc > > >~{8wN;1`PV#:~} > >~{!!!!NR5D@m=bJG:?J Message-Id: <199701210913.EAA27949@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Sanyee's Vote To: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 04:13:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: from "Sanyee Tang" at Jan 20, 97 11:28:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1858 Status: RO ~{6TUb8v;0LbNRRQ>-DeAK#,SPK=HKRrKXTZ#,K55CTY6`R2V;1;513I6z1_7g#,~} ~{Wn:sTYK5<8>d#:~} > > ~{!!!!NR5D@m=bJG:?JMBmIOIyCwK{2;JG1`N/#,~} ~{R*GsH%5tBp#?DQ5@8wN;DGC4=!M|#?4SH%DjKDTB7]5==qDjR;TB7]#,W\92J.6~FZ#,~} ~{>MV;SPUbR;FZ5D1`N/C{5%VPSP:?#,6xGR;9JGRrN*4mNsKyVB!#PBSoK? > ~{!!!!9XSZ:M#A#A#N:OWw5DJB#,NRM6T^3IF1!#SkILR5Mx5c:OWw?IRTNH6(NRCG5DTKWw~} > ~{#,UyH!2FU~T.Vz!#KdK52"2;JG7GR*:M#A#A#N:OWw#,1HHg;*M(RQ4fTZAKA=Dj#,:j;y~} > ~{<4=+IOMx!#5+;*M(H$N62n#,#A#A#NR*:C5C6`#,:MK{CG:OWw#,4s-Qi!#~} ~{H$N6Hg:NN^9X=tR*#,SV2;JGNRCGWT<:5DH$N6#,L,6HHg:N!"4&@mJBGiJG7q:O@m!"~} ~{5X5@#,2EJGWnVXR*5D!##a#a#n5DHK#,0lJB8zMxIO5DP!;l;l:AN^Gx1p#,TlR%Hv;Q~} ~{N^Ky2;N*#,3}AKK{CG5DHK#,K-8R8zK{CG:OWw#?Ok9XDc5DUJ:E>M9X#,L8:N!0NH6(~} ~{NRCG5DTKWw!1#?NRCGWv5DJGN^1>IzRb#,R*DGC4R;5c2FU~WJVz8IJ2C4#?~} ~{4SG08z#a#a#n5DP-Ri#,JGR;8v7GU}J=5D>}WSP-6(#,JTPP6xRQ#,SINR2]Db:MG)Jp~} ~{5D!#K{CG2;>}WS#,JTPPR2>M2;M(9}#,Rr4KUb8vP-6(RQ>-2;4fTZ#,NRWT<:R22;HO~} ~{Ub8vP-6(!#K-OkTY8zK{CG:OWw#,>MTYH%2]DbR;8vP-Ri3v@49)1m>v!#Hg9{1m>vM(~} ~{9}#,NR1>HKR22;;aTYH%8zK{CG4r=;5@#,K{CG>MKc0QPBSoK?5DUJ:E7";9NRR22;;a~} ~{H%SC#,AmURHKH%8I0I!#~} > > ~{!!!!K31cK5CwR;8v1>JG3#J65DNJLb!##X#Y#S4S@4C;SP9f6(9}2;M6F1>MKc746T#,V;~} > ~{SPTZQ!>YPB1`<-J1#,RrN*R*Gs9}0kJ}HKM,Rb#,V[WSTxTZCC6y@oK59}#,2;M,Rb5DHK~} > ~{V;R*2;M6F1>MPPAK#,:sCf;97EAKP&A3!C#-#)!#TZQ!PB1`<-J1#,8wN;2;1X3P5#K5HK~} > ~{;5;05DM4?`!C#-#)!#~} > ~{2;M6F1Kc2;Kc2;M,Rb#,2"2;VXR*!#VXR*5DJG72JGVX4sNJLb5D1m>v#,1XPkSP>x6T~} ~{6`J}6x2;JGO`6T6`J}5DT^3IF12ED\M(9}!#Ub2EJG3#J6#,8w9z5DRi;aR24s6; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from s13.msi.umn.edu (s13.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.13]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA12850 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:11:00 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s13.msi.umn.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id IAA01817 for shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:10:57 -0600 (CST) From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701211410.IAA01817@s13.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Sanyee's Vote To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shi-min Fang) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:10:55 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199701210913.EAA27949@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 21, 97 04:13:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2035 Status: RO stop playing game by my name, okay? i mentioned i wish to use Old Rain as my name. who told you you can explain my intention??? --hc > >~{6TUb8v;0LbNRRQ>-DeAK#,SPK=HKRrKXTZ#,K55CTY6`R2V;1;513I6z1_7g#,~} >~{Wn:sTYK5<8>d#:~} > >> >> ~{!!!!NR5D@m=bJG:?J >~{!0@m=b!1JGR;;XJB#,J5~{@m=b3IJMBmIOIyCwK{2;JG1`N/#,~} >~{R*GsH%5tBp#?DQ5@8wN;DGC4=!M|#?4SH%DjKDTB7]5==qDjR;TB7]#,W\92J.6~FZ#,~} >~{>MV;SPUbR;FZ5D1`N/C{5%VPSP:?#,6xGR;9JGRrN*4mNsKyVB!#PBSoK?~{C{5%VPR2CwH7V83v:?RQMKP]!#NRCGJ2C4J1:rSPAK2;EWM7B6Cf#,2;T89+?*WT<:C{~} >~{WV5D13:s1`N/#?~} > >> >> ~{!!!!9XSZ:M#A#A#N:OWw5DJB#,NRM6T^3IF1!#SkILR5Mx5c:OWw?IRTNH6(NRCG5DTKWw~} >> ~{#,UyH!2FU~T.Vz!#KdK52"2;JG7GR*:M#A#A#N:OWw#,1HHg;*M(RQ4fTZAKA=Dj#,:j;y~} >> ~{<4=+IOMx!#5+;*M(H$N62n#,#A#A#NR*:C5C6`#,:MK{CG:OWw#,4s-Qi!#~} > >~{H$N6Hg:NN^9X=tR*#,SV2;JGNRCGWT<:5DH$N6#,L,6HHg:N!"4&@mJBGiJG7q:O@m!"~} >~{5X5@#,2EJGWnVXR*5D!##a#a#n5DHK#,0lJB8zMxIO5DP!;l;l:AN^Gx1p#,TlR%Hv;Q~} >~{N^Ky2;N*#,3}AKK{CG5DHK#,K-8R8zK{CG:OWw#?Ok9XDc5DUJ:E>M9X#,L8:N!0NH6(~} >~{NRCG5DTKWw!1#?NRCGWv5DJGN^1>IzRb#,R*DGC4R;5c2FU~WJVz8IJ2C4#?~} >~{4SG08z#a#a#n5DP-Ri#,JGR;8v7GU}J=5D>}WSP-6(#,JTPP6xRQ#,SINR2]Db:MG)Jp~} >~{5D!#K{CG2;>}WS#,JTPPR2>M2;M(9}#,Rr4KUb8vP-6(RQ>-2;4fTZ#,NRWT<:R22;HO~} >~{Ub8vP-6(!#K-OkTY8zK{CG:OWw#,>MTYH%2]DbR;8vP-Ri3v@49)1m>v!#Hg9{1m>vM(~} >~{9}#,NR1>HKR22;;aTYH%8zK{CG4r=;5@#,K{CG>MKc0QPBSoK?5DUJ:E7";9NRR22;;a~} >~{H%SC#,AmURHKH%8I0I!#~} >> >> ~{!!!!K31cK5CwR;8v1>JG3#J65DNJLb!##X#Y#S4S@4C;SP9f6(9}2;M6F1>MKc746T#,V;~} >> ~{SPTZQ!>YPB1`<-J1#,RrN*R*Gs9}0kJ}HKM,Rb#,V[WSTxTZCC6y@oK59}#,2;M,Rb5DHK~} >> ~{V;R*2;M6F1>MPPAK#,:sCf;97EAKP&A3!C#-#)!#TZQ!PB1`<-J1#,8wN;2;1X3P5#K5HK~} >> ~{;5;05DM4?`!C#-#)!#~} >> >~{2;M6F1Kc2;Kc2;M,Rb#,2"2;VXR*!#VXR*5DJG72JGVX4sNJLb5D1m>v#,1XPkSP>x6T~} >~{6`J}6x2;JGO`6T6`J}5DT^3IF12ED\M(9}!#Ub2EJG3#J6#,8w9z5DRi;aR24s6~{0l@m#,KyRT746T53;9?IRTSCH1O/?9Ri#,6x2;1X7GH%M6746TF12;?I!#~} > >~{7=V[WS~} > From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Tue Jan 21 17:43 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA06663 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.43]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA62536 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:39:48 -0600 Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA17967 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:34:57 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA269296 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:34:50 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA235164 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:34:44 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA244396077; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:34:37 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA024426077; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:34:37 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701212234.AA024426077@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: move on (2) To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:34:37 PST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2896 Status: RO Everybody survived so far? :) Okay, if a new XYS-AAN agreement should be needed, we can work out one based on Zhouzi's previous draft. My two cents here (sorry for overlapping): 1. The independence of XYS, the contents of each edition will not be in anyway compromised. 2. In exchange, AAN claims the right to be the only official carrier (i.e., other 'edu' carrier not being counted) of XYS and 3. Each web version is subject to the cooperation of EE with AAN's Web master, and shall there be any conflicts, the XYS board will vote towards a final resolution. Point 3 is taken from Waveman's suggestion and per the lesson of this incidence, the reason that the usual EE's-superpower does not apply here is the conflict in question is a larger issue than XYS along, and the board has to claim its responsibility of resolving this. Notice I am obviously(:) biased to XYS because its the XYS board, not XYS-AAN board, has the final say. I would suggest Sanyee take charge of the new draft. Within the usual XYS contents, EE's-superpower apply for any non-fatal controversals, other than that, XYS board should act for votings. Major ones that require a XYS board involvement may be, for example, to carry articles in strong disagreement with XYS's orientation, ones that may lead XYS into unnecessary controversals. etc. Please polish this. Got a lots of voting to do, scary! :) Let's work out this XYS-AAN first. It's been three years, and this is the only voting we are exercising other than recruiting new people. O man, isn't this something telling! :) For the vote, Waveman please update(in response to Zhouzi's question) and Afew please do as well(due to my request herein). Finally, of which you may feel strange, is that I still claim this Web publishing is a sucesss, regardless of the incidence. Looking at larger issue, ACT is dieing out and finally XYS has taken the step of reforming; I have no doubt that this edition, be quite some work itself (forget about the OT issue), has attracted more internet hits than we ever had before. However chaotic the creation process had been, and that A may knock B and so on so forth, from me all authors/editors that had contributed deserve good respect from the rest of us. That is not to say, that there are not insensitive acts from which the incidence arise and of which we shall learn the lesson as we go on, this is precisely what we are doing right now. Please cooperate, 'cause I believe all of us are here for only two reasons: 1) having fun and 2) making XYS stronger and healthier. Best, -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.net Tue Jan 21 22:08 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA14942 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA68176 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:07:03 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA245142 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:07:03 GMT Received: from rsoft.mindlink.net (mindlink.net [204.174.16.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA14218 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:07:02 -0600 Received: from bbs by rsoft.mindlink.net with local (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0vmt1h-0001gn-00; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:07:01 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 19:02:14 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Sanyee's Vote From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Message-Id: Content-Type: text Content-Length: 632 Status: RO ~{8wN;1`PV#:~} ~{!!!!Sk#A#A#N6O=;JG4sJB#,513u4sM6OAK!#V[~} ~{WS8vHKP48xK{CG5D6O=;PEN^P'!#=q:sGk2;R*TYWvUbVV6@6OW(PP5DJB!#UK:EV.@`5D~} ~{NJLb#,6v5D#,SPP)2;9}JGNs;a!#~} ~{!!!!J.8v1`<-#(0|@(:?#)@o#,D?G0SPH}8v~} inactive ~{#,04O`6T6`J}MRT1`<-2?5DC{Re8x#A#A#N7"P-RiVUV9PE~} ~{!#7qTr#,N,3VT-W4!#~} ~{!*!*I"RKIz~} From shif Wed Jan 22 00:42 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id AAA23173; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:42:04 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701220542.AAA23173@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Sanyee's Vote To: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:42:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: from "Sanyee Tang" at Jan 21, 97 07:02:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; 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Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701220855.DAA16012@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: my words To: xichen@ix.netcom.com (Xiao Chen) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:55:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701220729.XAA13423@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> from "Xiao Chen" at Jan 21, 97 11:29:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2810 Status: RO > ~{L8#,NR8vHK;9JG>u5C#<##>7ETZK|CGDG@o#,;a6T?/~} > ~{No5D7"PPP'9{SPU}Cf5DS0Ol!#~} ~{<4J92;8zK{CG:OWw#,K{CGOk7EPBSoK?NRCGR2JG;6S-5D#,J5 > ~{V[WSLa5=<88v2;S&Sk#A#A#N ~{NRCGR;P)1`<-5D1JC{!"SPR*?XVF#<##>5DGcOr5H#,~} > ~{L}Fp@4JG1H=OQOVX5DNJLb!#~} ~{5+JGNR>u5C8|VXR*5DJG8z#A#A#N~} > ~{#>SPC;SP:C4&#?Ht;X4pJG?O6(5D#,~} > ~{V[WSKy5#PD5DNJLbJG?IRTUR5==b>vM>>65D#,1HHgSkK{CGG)6(R;~} > ~{7]DZH]>!?ID\Oj>!5D!"K+7=5DH(A&:MReNq6<:\CwH75DP-RiJi#,~} > ~{NROk>_LeDZH]JG?IRT:C:CLVB[5D!#NRCG51H;2;O#M{?4<{#<# ~{SoK?#>#>1;@4WTMb2?5D8vHK;rMELeKy?XVF#,R*Wv5=UbR;5c#,Vw6/~} > ~{H(MjH+?IRTTZNRCGJV@o!#~} ~{P-RiJi6)5CTY:CTYOjO8#,R25CK+7=T-RbWqJX2EPP!#;;QTV.#,5CK+7=6}WS2ESPSC!#K{CG2;EB51P!HK7-A32;HOHK#,J2C4P-RiR;8E2;@m#,DcD\~} ~{DCK{CGTuC40l#?>MKcRT:sPBSoK?W"2a#,K+7=U}J=G)T<#,P-RiJiSPAK7(BI~} ~{P'A&#,DQ5@NRCG;95CWv:C8zK{CG4r9YK>5DW<182;3I#?:N?vDZ2?;9SPLfK{~} ~{CGK5;05DHK!#UbR;4NK{CG8R;YT<#,OBR;4NSPJ2C42;8R5D#?~} > > ~{AmMbSPHKLa5=SITp1`M,J18:Tp6`C=Le0f5D3v0f:MIh ~{L}Fp@4:COsKfRbPTL+G?AKP)!#~} ~{NR8|GcOrSZNRCGSPW(CE5DHK8:Tp~} > ~{6`C=Le0f5DIh-P#6TP#6T9}#,>M=;8x8:Tp~} > ~{IhM:\CwH7#,WvFp@4R2H]RWP)!#~} ~{6`C=Le0fJGSITp1`BVAw8:Tp;9JGW(HK8:Tp#,6 > ~{V[WSN*#<##>WvAK:\6`5DJBGi#,O`PE4s ~{5D!#~} ~{4sMJGUbQy#,~} ~{OkK57~6T~}~ > > ~{7=J1>MH]RW<1#,KyRT4s ~{#>1`<-2??4WwR;8v ~{5D;0#,~} ~{#<##>R*PK#,JWOHR* > ~{>MD\S*TlR;VV6T?/No7"U97G3#SP@{5DFx7U!#~} > ~{!0PV5\cRSZG=#,MbSyFdNj!#!1UbJG?FdTpHN@4#,8l22MyMb9U#,DG2EL82;IO; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:59:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701221859.NAA04241@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Date: 22 Jan 97 13:48:00 EST From: "CHEN" Subject: Re: The news about OT in XYS To: "shif" cc: "cpm" , "xys" Content-Type: text Content-Length: 925 Status: RO >This is the only one about OT, What else? so you had no idea what you were talking about when you addressed the so-called "OT's complain" in your earlier e-mail to OT? please don't do that if you could. your action put those of us who are trying to clean up your mess quietly in a hopeless situiation. i'll be the EE for next issue of OT and, if OT's editorial board allows me, i'll try to trivilize the matter as much as i could with a light-heart. your are _not_ making my task any easier. please hear my advice carefully: do not make things worse. if you don't have anything to say in terms of resolving the problem, keeping quiet will be wise. that's what i am going to do now. best wishes. hope we all can get out of this without making a fool of our magazines which we all care a lot and should never put cheap shots to them on our pages. it is not only unprofessional but also disrespectful. xc From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Wed Jan 22 15:42 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA29176 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.43]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA66022 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:40:47 -0600 Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA03330 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:38:57 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA165088 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:38:50 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA237502 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:38:46 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA179965518; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:38:38 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA080425522; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:38:42 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701222038.AA080425522@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: move on (3) To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:38:42 PST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2414 Status: RO There seems arise a sign of reconcilation, thanx for the ladders Xiaochen delivered. :) However, taking one step back this time, per Zhouzi's response to Sanyee's msg -- was it a joke? I mean, toss even one's own arguments back and forth, piece together info at will, such styleless fight was serving for entertaining purposes right? :( Otherwise it's an insult of people's intelligance, and certainly a waste of time and effort for all those have worked on the issue. On our gathering to resolve the problem, there indeed is not much space to hold an easily self-inflated, heavy-duty hot hot balloon wanting to be larger than the conference room. :( Now, I think Sanyee's motion is valid: if there is an "against" motion, follow up on the voting procedure and set it up by the book; The "for" motion is coming to an end as all 7 active editors had voiced their tickets, as the moderator of this vote I hereby clarify the score: XYS-AAN Zhouzi NO Bamboo Yes Sanyee Yes Wavman Yes Hawl Yes XioChn Yes AFei NO(0.5) A 5:1.5 score denounce the close of this vote and the pass of XYS-AAN bundle. As Zhouzi has indicated ealier, we'll not further impose any future XYS-AAN contacting duties on him. I nominate Waveman to take charge of the contacting instead, any more suggestions? I shall happily filter out any further barkings on the XYS-AAN issue from now on, and will suggest all of you do the same. We shall have some rest now. Pending issues to think about are: - XYS-AAN Web design working procedure details (a draft due 12 is one suggestion) - Important: how can XYS evolve itself into the net and out of the ACT - Important also: do we need to recruit new editors to synchronize with any changes of XYS editorial policy due to the internet Lastly, as we all agreed earlier: this incidence and the subsequent debate is strictly confined within XYS board. I will archieve all discussions/msgs I received so far, shall any further leakage to outside leads to potential damage of XYS's reputation, the archive will be the final defend of XYS-board's IQ as a whole. Best, -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From shif Wed Jan 22 16:19 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id QAA15478; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:08:21 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701222108.QAA15478@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: move on (3) To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:08:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701222038.AA080425522@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 22, 97 12:38:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 534 Status: RO Bambooman, if you keep playing this "voting game", that won't help to solve the problem and will only make it more complicated. If anyone dares to announce the result of an unrecognized vote and claims the victory to any third party or public, I will post a personal announcement to clarify the situation, publish the discussion and let xys contributors and readers know the truth. I will do what I can do to defend the independence and integrity of xys and to fight with any attempts to sell xys to any third party. zhouzi From shif Wed Jan 22 16:26 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) id QAA20865; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:15:39 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701222115.QAA20865@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: move on (3) To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:15:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701222038.AA080425522@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 22, 97 12:38:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 478 Status: RO > Hawl Yes An invalid vote from outsider. > XioChn Yes When did xiaochen say "yes" ? She is undecided. > AFei NO(0.5) Afei said 0.5-1 "no". > > A 5:1.5 score denounce the close of this vote and the pass of XYS-AAN > bundle. As Zhouzi has indicated ealier, we'll not further impose any Since bambooman is so biased to count an non-existing vote, all of results from him won't be recognized. Don't try to play this kind of dirty trick to me. It won't succeed. zhouzi From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Wed Jan 22 16:58 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA18550 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA130508 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:57:22 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA30188 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:57:19 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA158136 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:57:14 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA198190224; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:57:04 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA084130228; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:57:08 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701222157.AA084130228@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: move on (3) To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:57:08 PST In-Reply-To: <199701222108.QAA15478@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>; from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 22, 97 4:08 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 913 Status: RO > solve the problem and will only make it more complicated. If anyone > dares to announce the result of an unrecognized vote and claims the victory > to any third party or public, I will post a personal announcement to clarify that's precisely what i said at the last par, i will certainly abid to it, just make sure you do the same. as the third-party, we won't even bother notify aan 'cause they are expecting the continuation of xys-aan anyway. keep your word _this_ time, for god sake. take it easy now -- you are really disappointing, always thought you ought to be a better warrior. :( -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From CHEN@shy.neuro.upenn.edu Wed Jan 22 17:46 EST 1997 Received: from shy.neuro.upenn.edu (SHY.NEURO.UPENN.EDU [130.91.29.172]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA14164 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:46:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701222246.RAA14164@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Date: 22 Jan 97 17:14:00 EST From: "CHEN" Subject: Re: The news about OT in XYS To: "shif" cc: "cpm" , "xys" Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4448 Status: RO >Several days ago I got a message from an editor of XYS (not from Bambooman) >asking me where I got the "rumor" that OT changed to "Literature Monthly" >and said now OT are complaining, and I guess that's what >you complained. If my guess is wrong, you should clarify it. You are just >complaining, complaining, and don't even want people know WHAT you are >complaining. Very funny. From these two messages from you, I still have >no idea what you are complaining except full of personal attacks. That's >very professional and respectful? >If you just try to use this incident to attack me, it will be ignored. okay, this is better. i can work with it. i am going to be as candid with you as i can be. i am going to ingore the "personal attack blah blah" and if you think that i am using this to attack you personally, it is your right to think for youself and don't expect me to clarify it. i am really busy now. _my complain_ is that you should not acted on rumors/guesses and, instead, should ask about the "complain" before going to the two editorial boards driving everyone crazy. if you cann't get this message from my two e-mails, i really cann't help you any more. you should not come in with a "guess" and going public expecting people have the responsibility to "clarify" it for you if you made a wrong guess--there has never been an "OT's compain", has it? the fact is, when you wrote OT, many of our editors didn't even know what the hell were you talking about. i guess it was the case with some of xys' editors too. it is just like that you made a guess on somehow OT's new format is somehow related with OT's survival (based on another, maybe?) and expecting OT to clarify it for your readers in case the guess is wrong. the point here is not whether your guess is right or wrong. the point is that if you make a guess on another magazine's editorial decision, you should first check it with that magazine's editorial board before going public with your magazine's name. it is a good name and a lot readers, including this one, trust it. this is how i got into this: i got messages from few ot editors expressing the need to clarify things said about ot in the xys issue. after reading the issue myself, _i_ agree with these two points: 1. BOY'95 which is made by both of us, is not in any way related to the chpoem-l fight between you and me. you are one of the two major "heros" in that fight, should have known better than anyone that BOY'95 has absolutely nothing to do with our fight. to put these two events as one news item is misleading to say the least and might cause unneccessary difficulties for this year's BOY project if xys has a lot readers. 2. by putting OT's changing format in one news on e-zine's survival among competitions (between e-zines?), you are speculating ot's motive behind our editorial decisions. and in that context, the words "(ot now) publishes everything" is not very flattery and, in fact, inaccurate. you should have checked that speculation with us before releasing it. i don't think OT would ever run any speculations/rumors on XYS or any other e-zines' editorial decisions with our magazine's name behind it without making dead sure they are the facts. we have high respects for the integrity of other e-zines including xys and we demand the same respect being accorded to OT from all. now, at the time i was not sure that this is your own work. since it is under xys' name, and for that reason, i was very upset (OT won't ever do things like these) and went to few xys editors in private with "just between us" e-mails to find out what's really going on. at the same time, i told the few ot editors that i was talking with to wait for me to find out more facts before going anywhere public. i was trying to see if there is a way to avoid a public confrontation. i have too many dear friends in xys to just go out make a fight without make an effort to avoid it first. just as i was thinking like crazy here, frustrated too 'cause i was trying to figure out a way to get us out of this with both OT and XYS' pride intect..... then, all of a sudden, out came your "i heard OT is complainning...... we (xys' name again?) think there is nothing wrong" blah, blah. the rest is history. do whatever you feel like to do, it's always like this any way. i'll to do whatever i have to do which is not much at this point. xc From jmarcr@unb.ca Wed Jan 22 21:30 EST 1997 Received: from unb.ca (hermes.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.20]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA03397 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jmarcr@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.10]) by unb.ca (8.7.6/961016-08:40) id WAA05238 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:29:58 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.8.4/960921-23:08) id WAA23917; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:29:46 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:29:44 -0400 (AST) From: A Ship at Sea X-Sender: jmarcr@jupiter To: Shi-min Fang Subject: Re: Help In-Reply-To: <199701230200.VAA19755@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 726 Status: RO On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Shi-min Fang wrote: > > It doesn't matter that different editors have different ideas. Our > policy is that the executive editor of the month has the final words > on the publication of xys at that month. We don't have specific people > working for the web version yet. It's the executive editor's duty > to work it that out, either by himself/herself or asking somebody's > help. It seems you ignore the people who are ready to work for the web. (In that list out of Board, there are at least three people are concerned with the web.) Another suggestion, your board needs a person in the position of the chief editor. Also a person to be in charge of the web matter. I`m confused by you guys. zy From Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.net Thu Jan 23 01:45 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id BAA15399 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.43]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA56010 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:45:12 -0600 Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA11847 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:22:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA169568 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:22:10 GMT Received: from rsoft.mindlink.net (mindlink.net [204.174.16.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA149578 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:22:08 -0600 Received: from bbs by rsoft.mindlink.net with local (Exim 1.58 #1) id 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vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA46958 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:39:30 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA167490 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:39:30 GMT Received: from duct.mail.pipex.net (duct.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.21]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA178234 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:39:28 -0600 Received: from felicl01.radiusplc.co.uk (actually 194.70.137.58) by duct.mail.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:37:32 +0000 Received: from felicl01.radiusplc.co.uk TeamWARE MIME Connector by felicl01.radiusplc.co.uk (8.6.12/RADIUS-2.0) id JAA20874; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:42:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 23 Jan 97 09:42:47 +0000 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: "Wu Bin" Subject: Re: The news about OT in XYS In-Reply-To: Re: The news about OT in XYS Message-Id: <9701230942.aa47@felicl01.radiusplc.co.uk> To: CHEN@shy.neuro.upenn.edu (CHEN), shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Cc: cpm@cmg.health.ufl.edu, xys@uiuc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1206 Status: RO Shi-min=20Fang:=0D >Several=20days=20ago=20I=20got=20a=20message=20from=20an=20editor=20of= =20XYS=20(not=20from=20Bambooman)=0D >asking=20me=20where=20I=20got=20the=20"rumor"=20that=20OT=20changed=20= to=20"Literature=20Monthly"=0D >and=20said=20now=20OT=20are=20complaining,=20and=20I=20guess=20that's=20= what=0D >you=20complained.=20If=20my=20guess=20is=20wrong,=20you=20should=20cla= rify=20it.=20You=20are=20just=0D If=20you=20got=20the=20"news"=20(about=20OT=20complaining)=20from=20an=20= informal=20source=20(such=20=0D as=20an=20individul=20person),=20you=20should=20not=20address=20your=20= letter=20to=20OT-CPM.=20To=20=0D be=20honest,=20your=20first=20letter=20(in=20Chinese)=20just=20confused= =20us=20(at=20least=20me).=20As=20=0D far=20as=20I=20know,=20none=20of=20the=20OT=20editors=20expressed=20the= =20opinion=20on=20this=20issue=20=0D formally=20(most=20of=20us=20even=20don't=20know=20what=20is=20going=20= on),=20although=20the=20"news"=20=0D published=20in=20the=20lastest=20XYS=20issue=20about=20OT=20format=20ch= anging=20is=20actually=20wrong.=20=0D To=20clarify=20the=20issue,=20some=20actions=20might=20be=20taken,=20an= d=20you=20will=20know=20very=20soon.=0D Wu=20bin,=0D From xichen@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 23 23:22 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA03533 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA95164 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:22:07 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA89496 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 04:22:06 GMT Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA144262 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:22:05 -0600 Received: from (xichen@hay-ca7-13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.147.141]) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA09347 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:21:33 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:21:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199701240421.UAA09347@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: xichen@ix.netcom.com (Xiao Chen) Subject: my vote To: xys@uiuc.edu Content-Type: text Content-Length: 124 Status: RO Hi All, After I read Langren's note("more"), I decide to vote for "yes". Langren made some very good points. Xiao Chen From jmarcr@unb.ca Sun Jan 26 19:54 EST 1997 Received: from unb.ca (hermes.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.20]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23435 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jmarcr@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.10]) by unb.ca (8.7.6/970126-17:10) id UAA11043 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:54:20 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.8.5/960921-23:08) id UAA18537; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:54:19 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:54:18 -0400 (AST) From: A Ship at Sea X-Sender: jmarcr@jupiter To: Shi-min Fang Subject: Re: Invitation from XYS In-Reply-To: <199701100530.AAA27875@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 611 Status: RO On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Shi-min Fang wrote: > ~{!6PBSoK?!71`<-2?>-9}M6F11m>v#,>v6(Q{GkDc ~{!6PBSoK?!7JG7GU~VNPT5DNDJ7@`M,HKTSV>#,J5PPTpHN1`<-VF!#8wC{1`N/8y>] > email username~{5DWVD8K3Pr#,BVAw5#HN8wFZ5DTpHN1`<-!#TpHN1`<-8:TpUw8e!" > ~{T<8e:MUELy#,6TSZ@48e5DH!Ia!"1`EESPWn:s5D>v6(H(!#TpHN1`<-1`3v3uQy:s#, > ~{KM8x8wN;1`<-P#6T:MUwGsRb<{#,Wn:sKM5=P#6THK!2SIOBFZTp1`5#HN!34&WwWn > ~{:s5DP#6T:MEE0f#,H;:sSITpHN1`<-7"PP!# ~{O#M{6TNR;:#(R;#)FZV4PL#(PP#)!#8xNRR;8vOr8wN;Q'O05D;z;a!#~} ~{N43vI=OH7ER;EZ!#=(RiTZ9XSZ0fH(4&d#:WwF70fH(JtWwU_KySP!#~} ~{W?S"~} From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Sun Jan 26 22:48 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29900 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA51422 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:47:55 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA178892 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 03:47:55 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA86722 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:47:54 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA291516872; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:47:53 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA022206874; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:47:55 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701270347.AA022206874@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: Articles of Incorporation To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shi-min Fang) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:47:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <199701251226.HAA23086@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 25, 97 07:26:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2120 Status: RO > ~{8y>]H%Dj5DLVB[#,NRTZ6+2?J1SI6+2?5D1`<-Wi3I5ZR;=l@mJB;a#,92H}HK#:9EF=!"~} > ~{0"7I:MNR!#N4APHk@KHK#,R;Tr5G9}TZPBSoK?~} ^^^^^^ > ELEVENTH: The Corporation shall be operated by a board > of directors, the number of which is to be no less than > three. ^^^^^^^^ Sigh... :( Zhouzi, could you fix all the bugs and had the tail hiden up before you dash out? Secondly, we shall appreciate if you sent out the byLaw to the board before you deliver the article. Which will then, quite naturaly, prompts at least me to ask the following request: as the so called the board-of-directors will have the power of making the policy and ouside-correspondance, and unfortunately you have been voted out on the recent XYS-AAN treaty(policy making), and picked up unnecessary fight with OT(outside-correspondance), regretfully I have to suggest you to step outside the board-of-directors. Now, a simple solution: change the board of directors to the 7 editors spoke up recently (Guping: if you are there, please excuse me, I have no intention to exclude you for any reason, but please speak up if you are there). A more complex solution: let these 7 elect three if you want to. A simplest solution: do nothing, and happily wait fo the total dissolution of XYS. One has the freedom, indeed, to behave as if still in kindergarden, but don't assume others are as well. > IN WITNESS WHEREOF I, the incorporator, hereunto sign > my name this 24 day of January, 1997 and affirm that the > Statements herein are true under penalty of perjury. > Unfortunately, there are things not true.(See your message to the board) Are you so sure that you can afford the "penalty of perjury"? :( What a pity. -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Sun Jan 26 22:47 EST 1997 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29797 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA291516872; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:47:53 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA022206874; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:47:55 -0800 From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701270347.AA022206874@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: Articles of Incorporation To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shi-min Fang) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:47:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <199701251226.HAA23086@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 25, 97 07:26:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2120 Status: RO > ~{8y>]H%Dj5DLVB[#,NRTZ6+2?J1SI6+2?5D1`<-Wi3I5ZR;=l@mJB;a#,92H}HK#:9EF=!"~} > ~{0"7I:MNR!#N4APHk@KHK#,R;Tr5G9}TZPBSoK?~} ^^^^^^ > ELEVENTH: The Corporation shall be operated by a board > of directors, the number of which is to be no less than > three. ^^^^^^^^ Sigh... :( Zhouzi, could you fix all the bugs and had the tail hiden up before you dash out? Secondly, we shall appreciate if you sent out the byLaw to the board before you deliver the article. Which will then, quite naturaly, prompts at least me to ask the following request: as the so called the board-of-directors will have the power of making the policy and ouside-correspondance, and unfortunately you have been voted out on the recent XYS-AAN treaty(policy making), and picked up unnecessary fight with OT(outside-correspondance), regretfully I have to suggest you to step outside the board-of-directors. Now, a simple solution: change the board of directors to the 7 editors spoke up recently (Guping: if you are there, please excuse me, I have no intention to exclude you for any reason, but please speak up if you are there). A more complex solution: let these 7 elect three if you want to. A simplest solution: do nothing, and happily wait fo the total dissolution of XYS. One has the freedom, indeed, to behave as if still in kindergarden, but don't assume others are as well. > IN WITNESS WHEREOF I, the incorporator, hereunto sign > my name this 24 day of January, 1997 and affirm that the > Statements herein are true under penalty of perjury. > Unfortunately, there are things not true.(See your message to the board) Are you so sure that you can afford the "penalty of perjury"? :( What a pity. -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From hchen@msi.umn.edu Sun Jan 26 23:49 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28009 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA54852 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:49:52 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA276406 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:49:52 GMT Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA141734 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:49:50 -0600 Received: from s19.msi.umn.edu (s19.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.19]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA09121; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:49:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s19.msi.umn.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA17469; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:49:46 -0600 (CST) X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701270449.WAA17469@s19.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Articles of Incorporation To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:49:46 -0600 (CST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <199701270347.AA022206874@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 26, 97 07:47:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 899 Status: RO XYS board, first, congratulations to zhouzi's new society! it is much better off for zhouzi this way, i think. second, i personally take that info from zhouzi as junkmail, it has nothing to do with XYS emagazine board. when zhouzi really needs $75 registration fee, please stop piping soliciting junk into this maillist. my advice to zhouzi is: you may not collect any here. even OT or HXWZ may be less helpless than here. just an advice. again, congratulations to zhouzi's new business. --hc > > >> IN WITNESS WHEREOF I, the incorporator, hereunto sign >> my name this 24 day of January, 1997 and affirm that the >> Statements herein are true under penalty of perjury. >> >Unfortunately, there are things not true.(See your message to the board) >Are you so sure that you can afford the "penalty of perjury"? :( >What a pity. > >-- > Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) From zpzhang@math.Princeton.EDU Mon Jan 27 02:38 EST 1997 Received: from and.Princeton.EDU (root@and.Princeton.EDU [128.112.16.144]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA13791 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from tea.Princeton.EDU (zpzhang@tea.Princeton.EDU [128.112.16.7]) by and.Princeton.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA08331 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (zpzhang@localhost) by tea.Princeton.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.12) id CAA04737; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:26:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:26:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Zhaohui P. Zhang" To: shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Subject: Re: Articles of Incorporation (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2734 Status: RO From: Zhaohui P. Zhang To: "Zhaohui P. Zhang" Subject: Re: Articles of Incorporation It seems that we have a trust crisis now. I think we should make explanations, clarifications and discussions instead of rushing to conclusive action before the editorial board reaches an agreement. Zhouzi and I talked a bit about the meeting and some details of the bylaw, but I did not realize he was about to register the organization and I did not know much about the legal procedures. So zhouzi could you please briefly explain to us what are required by the government and what you think the magazine should do to meet those requirements. Here are some of my understandings: 1. Power. Editorial Board and "Board of Directors" The "board of directors" of the organization we are going to register is just for formality or any sort of legal crap. Even if legally speaking (i am not sure here) BOD has all the right of the operation and can override any decisions made, we should not use it as a way to give authority to a selected few or to deprive the right of some of our editors. The editorial board should be the one to make the actual decisions and then the BOD should just pass it as a matter of formality. If later the editorial board decides to create a few subcommitees or let the BOD take charge of anything, it is another issue. From now on to any such decision is made by the majority of the editorial board, any operation of XYS should remain the same. As the rule any power belongs to the editorial board :) 2. Meeting. Positions. I think there is a meeting required to pass the bylaw before the organization becomes official and all the directors shall be present at that meeting (correct me if i am wrong). Zhouzi suggests the 3 of our editors because it is probably more convenient. I assume that i. anyone who plans to attend such a meeting should be listed as a director. ii. if we have disagreement, we should vote on the directors. iii. if it is not required for all the directors to physically meet to pass the bylaw, we can put everyone as a director (including inactive ones because it is for longterm operation). iv. if there is a limit of attendance, personally I am willing to give my position to anyone who wants to take it; and if time or other circumstance permits, I am willing to make the meeting just to pass the legal requirement. 3. The bylaw is only a draft and should be approved by the editorial board before it is formally passed in the first meeting of the BOD. From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Mon Jan 27 21:29 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29780 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 21:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.43]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA76036 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:28:29 -0600 Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA10212 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:22:15 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA223508 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:22:14 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA269326 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:22:13 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA274448132; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:22:12 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA074268138; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:22:18 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701280222.AA074268138@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: ~{R;5c=bJM~} To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:22:18 PST In-Reply-To: <199701270935.EAA26358@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>; from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 27, 97 4:35 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1363 Status: RO a set of regionally-close editors go-ahead to do the registration: that's all i can recall. self-promote it to have superpower as to handle policy making plus foreign relationship is nothing that we saw before, not to say the so called "common tactic agreed upon _last year_" -- please show us the actual msg that embraced your idea. the move is not very smart, the explanation not very convincing either. :( that's all i have to say on this new episode: xys' policy-making etc remained to the sole right of the current xys board as a whole; either fairly elect a well entrusted board-of-director based on thorough democratic exercises of current active editors(count it man: 7!), or go-ahead with your society but don't expect xys in any way to be legally bind to your whatever decisions. i am keeping zhouying out of this discussion for now because of the nonsense shouldn't propogate too far for somebody's own sake. :) i think i am done. :) > ~{NJLbTZH%DjDj5W>MRQSPAK92J6#,Tg8C0lAK#,NRV;2;9}M5@AMO5=AKOVTZ!#~} ... > > ~{7=V[WS~} > -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From shif Tue Jan 28 02:04 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA02358; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:04:16 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701280704.CAA02358@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: ~{@mJBLaC{RT<01`N/;a9fTr~} To: jmarcr@unb.ca, sanyee_tang@mindlink.bc.ca, pckoo@cat.syr.edu, Z.H.Xie@ukc.ac.uk, YANG@D0NYU2.FNAL.GOV, zpzhang@math.princeton.edu, shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com, xichen@ix.netcom.com, jliao@vnet.ibm.com Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:04:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2328 Status: RO ~{8wN;1`<-#:~} ~{SISZVqHK2;T80QW?S"APHk~}xys@uiuc.edu~{#,GRSPMbHKTZIOCf#,RT<0DG8v~} ~{5XV7<4=+9}J1#,SP9XPBSoK?5DDZ2?LVB[GkW*RF5=4K4&!#~} ~{TZ5ZR;4N@mJB;aIO#,NRDbLaC{RTOB1`<-=xHk5ZR;=l@mJB;a#:I"RKIz!"@KHK~} ~{!"0"Rc!";RHK!#5+JG#,@KHK1XPk1#V$D\HNBzR;=lGR4GH%4sG'J@=g5DV0Nq#,~} ~{0"Rc!";RHK1XPk8x8v;XRt#(;RHKR21XPk4GH%4sG'J@=g5DV0Nq#)#,7qTr=+V;~} ~{LaC{I"RKIzR;HK!#@mJB;a2;D\RrN*SPL+6`5DHK2;;nT>6xJ'H%1m>vH(6xL1;>!#~} ~{VqHK2;3PHONR5DW"2a:M@mJB;a#,2;ShLaC{!#P%3>!"W?S"8U@4#,PhR*OHJlO$~} ~{R;OBGi?v#,OBR;=lTYK5!#~} ~{AmMb#,PBSoK?ND?bWT44=(RT@4R;V1JGNRR;HKTZE*#,FdK{1`<->yN42NSk#,8z~} ~{1`<-2?C;SPJ2C49XO5!#DbAmMb3IA"R;8vN/T1;a9\@mND?b!#~} ~{:sCfJGNR2]Db5D1`N/;a9fTr#,9)LVB[!#~} ~{PBSoK?1`<-N/T1;a9fTr~} ~{#(UwGsRb<{8e#)~} ~{R;!"PBSoK?1`<-N/T1;a#(OB3F!01`N/;a!1#)N*PBSoK?Ig@mJB;a~} ~{#(OB3F!0@mJB;a!1#)5DOBJt;z99#,J\@mJB;aN/MPH+H(4&@mPBSo~} ~{K?Ig3v0fNo5D1`<-:M3v0f!#~} ~{6~!"1`N/;aH+Le3IT1Wi3IPBSoK?1`<-2?!#~} ~{H}!"1`N/;aN/T1SI@mJB;aM6F1Q!>Y2zIz!#HN:N@mJB>y?ILaC{1`~} ~{N/:rQ!HK#,HtT^M,F1J}6`SZH+Le@mJBHKJ}5DR;0k#,<451Q!!#~} ~{KD!"HN:NHK6Ig@mJB2;D\IYSZA=N;!#~} ~{Ne!"@mJB;a?ITZHN:NJ1:rRT1;@mJB;a=SJ\5DM6F17=J=Q!>YPB1`~} ~{N/!#~} ~{Ay!"1`N/?IRTHN:N@mSI;rN^@mSIM(9}Ig3$:MJi-M6F11m>v=b3}HN:NR;N;1`N/5DV0Nq!#T^M,F1~} ~{J}6`SZH+Le@mJBHKJ}5DR;0k<4M(9}#,2"A"?LIzP'!#~} ~{0K!"1`N/;a;aRiRT~}email~{5D7=J==xPP#,Hg9{R;C{1`N/TZ0kDjV.~} ~{DZN42NE!"3}7G1>V]7(BI!"1>IgUB3L:M1>9fTrAmSP9f6(#,1`N/;a5D>_~} ~{Le9$Ww2;J\@mJB;a!"1>IgFdK{N/T1;a:MHN:NMb@45D8IIf!#~} ~{J.!"C?8vTB4S1`N/VPRTWTT8;rMFQ!5D7=J=2zIzR;N;TpHN1`<-#,~} ~{H+H(8:TpPBSoK?5D1`<-:M3v0f#,6T8e<~5DQ!Tq:M1`EESPWn:s5D~} ~{>v6(H(!#TpHN1`<-5DHNFZN*C?TB5DJ.NeHUVAOBTB5DJ.NeHU#,TZ~} ~{HNV0FZv6(~} ~{Kp:&AKPBSoK?Ig5D8y1>@{Rf5DGi?vOB#,FdK{1`N/?IOr@mJB;aIO~} ~{K_#,SI@mJB;aM6F1>v6(!#~} ~{J.H}!"TpHN1`<-2;D\>\>x?/5G@mJB;a5DIyCw!"FtJB;rM(V*!#~} ~{J.KD!"Ht1>9fTrSk1>V]7(BI;r1>IgUB3LSP3eM;#,RT1>V]7(BI;r~} ~{1>IgUB3LN*W9fTr5DP^8DH(:M=bJMH(JtSZ@mJB;a!#~} From shif Tue Jan 28 02:24 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA05442; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:24:10 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701280724.CAA05442@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: ~{0fH(NJLb~} To: jmarcr@unb.ca, sanyee_tang@mindlink.bc.ca, pckoo@cat.syr.edu, Z.H.Xie@ukc.ac.uk, YANG@D0NYU2.FNAL.GOV, zpzhang@math.princeton.edu, shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com, xichen@ix.netcom.com, jliao@vnet.ibm.com Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:24:10 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 421 Status: RO ~{W?S"La5=AK0fH(NJLb#,V55CVXJS!#NR2iAKR;OB0fH(7(#,WwU_0QNDUB~} ~{=;1(V=!"TSV>7"1m#,<4J91(V=TSV>IyCw0fH(KySP#,R22;5HSZWwU_>M~} ~{RQ0Q0fH(W*HC8xAK1(V=TSV>#,1XPkSPJiCf5DM,RbJi2EPP!#KyRTNROk~} ~{6TSZPBSoK?5D0fH(#,NRCG?IRTIyCwHgOB#:~} ~{1>?/0fH(JtPBSoK?KySP#,5%F*NDUB5D0fH(JtSZWwU_!#HtWwU_S{M6My~} ~{FdK{5gWS?/No;rFdK{5gWS?/NoS{W*TX#,GkW"CwT-TX!6PBSoK?!7!#~} ~{NR=+DbR;7]>_Le5D0fH(K5Cw#,LVB[:s7E=xPBSoK?; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 03:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08102 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:22:07 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA46206 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:22:07 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA102248 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:22:05 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA033339724; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 00:22:04 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA089759731; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 00:22:11 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701280822.AA089759731@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: ~{@mJBLaC{RT<01`N/;a9fTr~} (thank you all!) To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 00:22:11 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 4896 Status: RO Hehe... here it comes. :) This guy ... can you just have a bit kindness, just a little bit I mean, to keep innocent people like zhouying out of the nasty episode? Twisting my intention at your will is fine with me, why should I care anyway? :) I really wished I can stay a bit longer, just watching xiaochen heck of busy preparing her first edition of coming out celebrate this spring festival will be lots of fun to say the very least.:) Well, what the heck, I am always a phone call away for anything to help.. Guys, I think it's time for me to go. Not easy for three years. I haven't contribute much to XYS for quite some time now, and I thought I can help at least to make the operation a little healthier before I take off. Sigh. Zhouzi: I want to be honest with you here -- I've always admired your talent and energy. The XYS, the library, the XYS-friends net etc., would be making much slower progress if without your endless effort. However, almost by the same token, you have in many ways and at many times make team work, within the board, across magzines and among the authors, difficult. My advice to you, if it can so bear the name, is that it's really fine to write "every step a conspiracy" type of stanza into your poem, but don't write it with your life. Your ego can grow so huge some time, I am afraid that you may hurt yourself. Thank you all. For me, Yah free at last! :) Zhouzi please let me know when the xys@uiuc.edu should be closed. It has the current editors on it except zhuoying, I plea to all of you to spare her until this episode reaches its final. -zheng Forwarded message: >From shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Mon Jan 27 23:16 PST 1997 From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701280704.CAA02358@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: ~{@mJBLaC{RT<01`N/;a9fTr~} To: jmarcr@unb.ca, sanyee_tang@mindlink.bc.ca, pckoo@cat.syr.edu, Z.H.Xie@ukc.ac.uk, YANG@D0NYU2.FNAL.GOV, zpzhang@math.princeton.edu, shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com, xichen@ix.netcom.com, jliao@vnet.ibm.com Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:04:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ~{8wN;1`<-#:~} ~{SISZVqHK2;T80QW?S"APHk~}xys@uiuc.edu~{#,GRSPMbHKTZIOCf#,RT<0DG8v~} ~{5XV7<4=+9}J1#,SP9XPBSoK?5DDZ2?LVB[GkW*RF5=4K4&!#~} ~{TZ5ZR;4N@mJB;aIO#,NRDbLaC{RTOB1`<-=xHk5ZR;=l@mJB;a#:I"RKIz!"@KHK~} ~{!"0"Rc!";RHK!#5+JG#,@KHK1XPk1#V$D\HNBzR;=lGR4GH%4sG'J@=g5DV0Nq#,~} ~{0"Rc!";RHK1XPk8x8v;XRt#(;RHKR21XPk4GH%4sG'J@=g5DV0Nq#)#,7qTr=+V;~} ~{LaC{I"RKIzR;HK!#@mJB;a2;D\RrN*SPL+6`5DHK2;;nT>6xJ'H%1m>vH(6xL1;>!#~} ~{VqHK2;3PHONR5DW"2a:M@mJB;a#,2;ShLaC{!#P%3>!"W?S"8U@4#,PhR*OHJlO$~} ~{R;OBGi?v#,OBR;=lTYK5!#~} ~{AmMb#,PBSoK?ND?bWT44=(RT@4R;V1JGNRR;HKTZE*#,FdK{1`<->yN42NSk#,8z~} ~{1`<-2?C;SPJ2C49XO5!#DbAmMb3IA"R;8vN/T1;a9\@mND?b!#~} ~{:sCfJGNR2]Db5D1`N/;a9fTr#,9)LVB[!#~} ~{PBSoK?1`<-N/T1;a9fTr~} ~{#(UwGsRb<{8e#)~} ~{R;!"PBSoK?1`<-N/T1;a#(OB3F!01`N/;a!1#)N*PBSoK?Ig@mJB;a~} ~{#(OB3F!0@mJB;a!1#)5DOBJt;z99#,J\@mJB;aN/MPH+H(4&@mPBSo~} ~{K?Ig3v0fNo5D1`<-:M3v0f!#~} ~{6~!"1`N/;aH+Le3IT1Wi3IPBSoK?1`<-2?!#~} ~{H}!"1`N/;aN/T1SI@mJB;aM6F1Q!>Y2zIz!#HN:N@mJB>y?ILaC{1`~} ~{N/:rQ!HK#,HtT^M,F1J}6`SZH+Le@mJBHKJ}5DR;0k#,<451Q!!#~} ~{KD!"HN:NHK6Ig@mJB2;D\IYSZA=N;!#~} ~{Ne!"@mJB;a?ITZHN:NJ1:rRT1;@mJB;a=SJ\5DM6F17=J=Q!>YPB1`~} ~{N/!#~} ~{Ay!"1`N/?IRTHN:N@mSI;rN^@mSIM(9}Ig3$:MJi-M6F11m>v=b3}HN:NR;N;1`N/5DV0Nq!#T^M,F1~} ~{J}6`SZH+Le@mJBHKJ}5DR;0k<4M(9}#,2"A"?LIzP'!#~} ~{0K!"1`N/;a;aRiRT~}email~{5D7=J==xPP#,Hg9{R;C{1`N/TZ0kDjV.~} ~{DZN42NE!"3}7G1>V]7(BI!"1>IgUB3L:M1>9fTrAmSP9f6(#,1`N/;a5D>_~} ~{Le9$Ww2;J\@mJB;a!"1>IgFdK{N/T1;a:MHN:NMb@45D8IIf!#~} ~{J.!"C?8vTB4S1`N/VPRTWTT8;rMFQ!5D7=J=2zIzR;N;TpHN1`<-#,~} ~{H+H(8:TpPBSoK?5D1`<-:M3v0f#,6T8e<~5DQ!Tq:M1`EESPWn:s5D~} ~{>v6(H(!#TpHN1`<-5DHNFZN*C?TB5DJ.NeHUVAOBTB5DJ.NeHU#,TZ~} ~{HNV0FZv6(~} ~{Kp:&AKPBSoK?Ig5D8y1>@{Rf5DGi?vOB#,FdK{1`N/?IOr@mJB;aIO~} ~{K_#,SI@mJB;aM6F1>v6(!#~} ~{J.H}!"TpHN1`<-2;D\>\>x?/5G@mJB;a5DIyCw!"FtJB;rM(V*!#~} ~{J.KD!"Ht1>9fTrSk1>V]7(BI;r1>IgUB3LSP3eM;#,RT1>V]7(BI;r~} ~{1>IgUB3LN*W9fTr5DP^8DH(:M=bJMH(JtSZ@mJB;a!#~} -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From shif Tue Jan 28 05:07 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA19012; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:56:38 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701280956.EAA19012@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: ~{@mJBLaC{RT<01`N/;a9fTr~} (thank you all!) To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:56:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701280822.AA089759731@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 28, 97 00:22:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1354 Status: RO ~{VqHK#:~} ~{d#,7qTrRT:sC;;z;aK5AK#: ~{NRJY#,Dc8:Tp5DA=FZU}?/R2JG8_VJA?5D!#~} ~{Hg9{DcD\9;1#3VTgFZ5D>"M7#,;(8|6`5D>+A&TZPBSoK?IOCf#,PBSoK?;a0l5C~} ~{8|:C!#~} ~{5+JGUbR;A=Dj@4Dc6TPBSoK?:\IY9}NJ#,C&SZDCQ'N;?ID\JGR;8vT-Rr#,5+NR~} ~{>u5CWnVwR*5DT-Rr?ID\JGDc6TPBSoK?T=@4T=H1IYHOM,8P!#LX1pJGTZiOi-Jw~} ~{440lRT:s#,Dc?ID\8|HOM,SZK|#,8|T-RbN*K{CGWvJB!#NR8vHK5D8P>u#,Dc8z~} ~{iOi-JwDG0oHK5D9XO5#(RT<0OVTZSk#a#a#n5D9XO5#)1HSkPBSoK?3IT15D9XO5~} ~{8|N*C\GP!#~} ~{SkK-8|C\GP#,51H;JG8vHK5DQ!Tq#,MbHK9\2;5C!#5+NR8vHKHON*#,NRCGR;Fp~} ~{WvJB#,2;JGN*Iz;nKyFH#,6xJG3vSZPKH$#,DGC4=2>?5D>M8CJGFxN6O`M6#,:O~} ~{5C@4>M@4#,:O2;@4>MH%!#R*V*5@UbJGR;8vWTT8Wi3I5DP!?DZMbSP1p!#<4J9Uf5XHON*WT<:HKSP9}J'#,R28C>!~} ~{A?H%AB=b#,6x2;8CR;N6V8Tp#,U>TZMbHK5DA"3!IO!#Ub>MOs4rEF#,;%O`BqT9~} ~{6T7=3v4mEF#,DKJG4sM~} ~{RQK:FFAKA3F$#,:\DQTY:OWwOBH%AK!#UbJGNRSkHK92JB5D5WO_!#~} ~{R;Dj6`G0DcLa3vR*@k?*J1NRvR*DcAtOB#,UbR;4NDcN*#a#a#nHg4KBtA&#,~} ~{TZA=V\V.DZ7"5DL{WS?ID\1HDcH}DjDZ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jmarcr@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.10]) by unb.ca (8.7.6/970126-17:10) id IAA13207 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:58:16 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.8.5/960921-23:08) id IAA17879; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:58:14 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:58:13 -0400 (AST) From: A Ship at Sea X-Sender: jmarcr@jupiter To: Shi-min Fang Subject: Re: ~{@mJBLaC{RT<01`N/;a9fTr~} In-Reply-To: <199701280704.CAA02358@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 785 Status: RO ~{Gk2;R*0QNR5DC{WVAPTZ1`<-2?C{5%IO!#~} zy * | ^ /| ^^^ ^ ^ / |\ ^ / ||\ / || \ / || \ / || \ / || \ /=======||=====\ ~{SPSc#?N^Sc#?~} ^^^^^ \=============/ ~{Sf7rV*LlRb~}........................... \___________/ ^^^^^^ From zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com Tue Jan 28 16:30 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13110 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA57204 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:25:32 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA199838 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:25:27 GMT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA56846 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:25:15 -0600 Received: from simpler.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA167326711; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:25:11 -0800 Received: by simpler.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA116876720; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:25:21 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Zheng Zhang (BambooMan) Message-Id: <199701282125.AA116876720@simpler.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: ~{@mJBLaC{RT<01`N/;a9fTr~} (thank you all!) To: xys@uiuc.edu Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:25:20 PST In-Reply-To: <199701280956.EAA19012@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>; from "Shi-min Fang" at Jan 28, 97 4:56 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1758 Status: RO ~{d#,IO0`J1+A&SPO^#,Os;(UPDGQyWTP4WT1`~} ~{JG2;U}3#5D2YWw7=J=#,0l2;3$5D!#NRCGSVC;SP;*ODDGQy5DWT~} ~{SI6H?IRTU*8e#,N(R;5DM>>6JG0QNRCG:MWwU_:MFdK{TSV>5D9X~} ~{O5?4WwPBSoK?5DIzC|A&VXR*5DR;2?7Vr#,Ub:M~} ~{KyN=5DSkMxIOC{HK4r:C9XO5MjH+JGA=BkJB!#DcLa5=iOi-Jw#,~} ~{RrN*iOi-Jw0QMxIO;nT>5DJ+HKR;Mx4r>!#,PBSoK?R*DC5=:CJ+~} ~{O`6T@'DQ>M4sR;P)!#H%DjC&P)#,C;TuC4W%J+#,U{LeIO?4NRCG~} ~{5DJ+>M:\Tc#,FpBkC;J2C4PBRb!#4K<4R;@}6xRQ!#:M#a#a#n5D~} ~{:OWwMjH+?IRT;%@{#,UbR;5c4S@4>M2;4fTZJ2C47GRi#,DcR;N6~} ~{RbFxSCJBSkHKK:FFA3F$59R20UAK#,;9R*TZ1`<-2?@oHKOVTZR2V;51DV~} ~{>g?46xRQ#,OBR;;XTY=STY@x#,8I5CTY8I>;P)>MJGAK!##:#(~} ~{4sv#,H;:s~} ~{JGJdJGS.6~} ~{HKUb4N;XI=AFQxH%R2#,#:#)#,1pN^K{#,N(M{8wN;L}4KA[R;3!#,W\JGT57]#,KyN=6w6wT9T9#,R2>M4KR;P&AKV.!#8w~} ~{N;6`1#VX#,:s;aSPFZ!#~} ~{VqHK#,8U29R;Q@#,LeVXTvV5T<0Y7VV.Ne#:#)~} -- Zheng Zhang, ( BambooMan ) Hewlett-Packard Labs. tel: (415) 857-7195 1501 Page Mill Rd., M/S 3U-7 fax: (415) 857-7029 Palo Alto e-mail: zzhang@hpl.hp.com CA. 94304, USA http://www.csrd.uiuc.edu/~zzhang From Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.net Tue Jan 28 22:15 EST 1997 Received: from hurricane.cso.uiuc.edu (hurricane.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.31]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22209 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by hurricane.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA57490 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:12:29 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA256126 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 03:12:29 GMT Received: from rsoft.mindlink.net (mindlink.net [204.174.16.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA165476 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:12:27 -0600 Received: from bbs by rsoft.mindlink.net with local (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0vpQRm-0007AZ-00; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:12:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 19:11:32 -0800 X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: Resign From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Message-Id: Content-Type: text Content-Length: 210 Status: RO Hi, colleagues: This year I have a very tight schedule and a number of new projects, so I will leave XYS after February 15. As a final service for XYS, I can take the proofreading of this issue. -- Sanyee From hchen@msi.umn.edu Tue Jan 28 22:36 EST 1997 Received: from vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (vortex.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.12]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04009 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA104222 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:34:55 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA71504 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 03:34:54 GMT Received: from s1.msi.umn.edu (s1.msi.umn.edu [128.101.24.1]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA266028 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:34:51 -0600 Received: from s19.msi.umn.edu (s19.msi.umn.edu [128.101.27.19]) by s1.msi.umn.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA20592; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:34:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hchen@localhost) by s19.msi.umn.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA19266; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:34:48 -0600 (CST) X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: Hao Chen Message-Id: <199701290334.VAA19266@s19.msi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Resign To: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:34:47 -0600 (CST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sanyee Tang" at Jan 28, 97 07:11:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 227 Status: RO dear friends, it is high time to have bid goodbye. looking back for these years, i feel fun to edit or proofread articles. however, i have my own desire, i want to try something new. so long, friends, have a good night. --hc From jmarcr@unb.ca Wed Jan 29 11:08 EST 1997 Received: from unb.ca (hermes.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.20]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29911 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jmarcr@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca [131.202.3.10]) by unb.ca (8.7.6/970126-17:10) id MAA24421 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:08:38 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.8.5/960921-23:08) id MAA09376; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:08:36 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:08:35 -0400 (AST) From: A Ship at Sea X-Sender: jmarcr@jupiter Reply-To: A Ship at Sea To: Shi-min Fang Subject: Re: ~{@mJBLaC{RT<01`N/;a9fTr~} In-Reply-To: <199701282050.PAA17473@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1106 Status: RO On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Shi-min Fang wrote: > > > > ~{Gk2;R*0QNR5DC{WVAPTZ1`<-2?C{5%IO!#~} > > > What do you mean ? You just said you would like to accept the invitation > to join the editorial board, now you want to quit ? > > zhouzi ~{V[WS#,~} ~{OH5@6T2;Fp!#OVTZ8xDcP4#E#-#M#A#I#L#,H7J5JGN43I3vJ&ImOH4aAK!#NRW_5=Ub3v6{74~} ~{6{5D5X2=#,UbR;IzVP;9JG5ZR;4N!#PES~I(5XAK#,UbJGN^?IDN:N5DJB!#~} ~{?*J<#,2;8R=SJ\Q{GkU}HgRQ8fK_Dc5DDGQy#,EBJw5P#-#-DcJw5PL+6`!##(NR2;T^3IDc5DPm~} ~{6`K57(#,2;OkJwD*C{5D5P!#5+NRR22;;a0QWT<:5D6+NwG?MV;D\JG:oAK!#4sB=@z@48c4sR;M3#,NRCGR2PmTZKE8vHK!#NR8P5=WT<::\DQ8I:C!##W#E#B5DJBRQJ9~} ~{NRTNM7!#4sMJGN^=bAK!#~} ~{NRN^D\A&N^J1u5CDcD\=SJ\V1QT#,NR>MV1K5AK!#~} ~{GkAB=bNR5DDQ4&!#~} ~{T8DcK3@{!#~} ~{W?S"~} From shif Wed Jan 29 16:23 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22259; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:13:23 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701292113.QAA22259@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: ~{@mJBLaC{RT<01`N/;a9fTr~} (thank you all!) To: zzhang@simpler.hpl.hp.com (Zheng Zhang) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:13:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: xys@uiuc.edu, shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: <199701282125.AA116876720@simpler.hpl.hp.com> from "Zheng Zhang" at Jan 28, 97 01:25:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1482 Status: RO > > ~{KyN=DZMbSP1p#:UbR;5c4S@4C;SP:,:}9}!#?ID\V;JGDcNRSP1p~} > ~{0I!#=29}:\6`4N#,NRCGWT<:>+A&SPO^#,Os;(UPDGQyWTP4WT1`~} > ~{JG2;U}3#5D2YWw7=J=#,0l2;3$5D!#NRCGSVC;SP;*ODDGQy5DWT~} ~{DcUb;0S&8C6T;(UP:MiOi-JwK5H%!#TZPBSoK?VPV;SPNR:MI"RKIzP45C1H=OGZ#,~} ~{FdK{1`<-6<:\IY6/1J!#TZMxIOUbP)44WwPT?/NoVP#,C;SPDDR;8vOsPBSoK?Ub~} ~{QySPUbC46`5DMb@48e<~!#~} > ~{SI6H?IRTU*8e#,N(R;5DM>>6JG0QNRCG:MWwU_:MFdK{TSV>5D9X~} > ~{O5?4WwPBSoK?5DIzC|A&VXR*5DR;2?7Vr#,Ub:M~} ~{J2C4=P8zFdK|TSV>5D9XO5#?Dc5GNR5DNR5GDc5D#?SPR;UsWSMxIO5D?/NoH+JG~} ~{<8N;C{HK5DNDUB@4;X5G#,?4UbR;7]8z?4DGR;7]R2C;SP2n1p#,SPJ2C4RbK<#?~} > ~{KyN=5DSkMxIOC{HK4r:C9XO5MjH+JGA=BkJB!#DcLa5=iOi-Jw#,~} > ~{RrN*iOi-Jw0QMxIO;nT>5DJ+HKR;Mx4r>!#,PBSoK?R*DC5=:CJ+~} > ~{O`6T@'DQ>M4sR;P)!#H%DjC&P)#,C;TuC4W%J+#,U{LeIO?4NRCG~} > ~{5DJ+>M:\Tc#,FpBkC;J2C4PBRb!#4K<4R;@}6xRQ!#:M#a#a#n5D~} ~{R;Mx4r>!N4CbQT9}FdJ5#,0QR;LlR;J+5D8_2zJ+HKR;Mx4r>!;92n2;6`!#5+NR~} ~{D~T8?/5G1pHK2;3IJl5DJ+Ww#,R22;T8HCUbP)8_2zJ+HK@4N[H>PBSoK?!#UbP)~} ~{HKTZiOi-JwIOC?FZJ}JWJ.J}JWHC6AU_6TJ+4s59N8?Z;92;9;Bp#?~} > ~{O`>[R;3!#,W\JGT57]#,KyN=6w6wT9T9#,R2>M4KR;P&AKV.!#8w~} > ~{N;6`1#VX#,:s;aSPFZ!#~} > ~{0l?/@mDn2;M,#,:C:O:CI"#,:\U}3#!#5+W_RTG0;9R*@-R;EzHKEcTa~} ~{#,IuVAA,8U=x@45D6TJBGi5DG0Rr:s9{6MV;D\51P&;0L}AK!#~} ~{51H;UbP);02;R;6(V8Dc!#~} ~{7=V[WS~} From shif Wed Jan 29 16:45 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15442; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:45:37 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199701292145.QAA15442@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: ~{@mJBLaC{RT<01`N/;a9fTr~} To: jmarcr@unb.ca Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:45:36 -0500 (EST) Cc: shif (Shi-min Fang) In-Reply-To: from "A Ship at Sea" at Jan 29, 97 12:08:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1699 Status: RO ~{I"RKIz5HHK5D4GV08zH]2;H]HKN^9X!#2;;aK5H}Dj@46!0l7(#,IuVA;9?*FpAKNR5DEz67;a#,:COsNRJGPBSoK?5DWoHK!#RQ5=AK~} ~{K.;p2;O`H]5D5X2=#,2;3I9&:sV;D\4GV0Or#A#A#NSPKy~} ~{=;4z#,?IRT@m=b!#W_RTG0R*@-R;EzHKEcTaR2TZT$AOV.VP!#NR59JGC;AO5=K{CG6T~} ~{DcUbQy6TJBGi5DG0Rr:s9{KyV*IuIY5DHKR22;7E9}!#~} ~{@4AtH%KM#,:C:O:CI"#,2;CcG?!#~} ~{7=V[WS~} > > On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Shi-min Fang wrote: > > > > > > > ~{Gk2;R*0QNR5DC{WVAPTZ1`<-2?C{5%IO!#~} > > > > > What do you mean ? You just said you would like to accept the > invitation > > to join the editorial board, now you want to quit ? > > > > zhouzi > > ~{V[WS#,~} > > ~{OH5@6T2;Fp!#OVTZ8xDcP4#E#-#M#A#I#L#,H7J5JGN43I3vJ&ImOH4aAK!#NRW_5=Ub3v6{74~} > ~{6{5D5X2=#,UbR;IzVP;9JG5ZR;4N!#PES~I(5XAK#,UbJGN^?IDN:N5DJB!#~} > > ~{?*J<#,2;8R=SJ\Q{GkU}HgRQ8fK_Dc5DDGQy#,EBJw5P#-#-DcJw5PL+6`!##(NR2;T^3IDc5DPm~} > ~{6`K57(#,2;OkJwD*C{5D5P!#5+NRR22;;a0QWT<:5D6+NwG? ~{;%4f5D!#7qTrHK@`>MV;D\JG:oAK!#4sB=@z@48c4sR;M3#,NRCGR2PmTZK ~{UbVV6(N;!#NRTZQ'O0TuQy=SJ\2;M,K > ~{M,Rb=x#X#Y#S#,JGRrSPI"RKUbQy2)J65D1`<-!#R2RrFdK{#/K}1`<-5DP4WwD\A&!#NROk@4~} > ~{Q'5c6+Nw!#~} > > ~{?4@4#,I"RKR*W_HK#,1`<-2?R22;OqSP>E8vHK!#NR8P5=WT<::\DQ8I:C!##W#E#B5DJBRQJ9~} > ~{NRTNM7!#4s ~{?IRT@m=b!#2;D\O`H]>MJGN^=bAK!#~} > > ~{NRN^D\A&N^J1 > ~{NR2;O2;6W*MdD(=G!#>u5CDcD\=SJ\V1QT#,NR>MV1K5AK!#~} > > ~{GkAB=bNR5DDQ4&!#~} > > ~{T8DcK3@{!#~} > > ~{W?S"~} > > > From Z.H.Xie@ukc.ac.uk Fri Jan 31 12:50 EST 1997 Received: from hurricane.cso.uiuc.edu (hurricane.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.31]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18023 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 12:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by hurricane.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA50882 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:44:57 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA48512 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:44:56 -0600 Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA54890 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:44:54 -0600 Received: from swan.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:44:27 +0000 Received: by swan.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id RAA12489; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:44:25 GMT Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:44:25 GMT X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: zhx Message-Id: <199701311744.RAA12489@swan.ukc.ac.uk> To: xys@uiuc.edu Subject: Goodbye all! Content-Type: text Content-Length: 309 Status: RO ~{8wN;1`R/~} ~{V[WSHC1mL,#,03Ub>MWw8v=;4z!#~} ~{:\>CC;SP9}NJ1`Nq#,VwR*JGRrN*#:~}(1)~{!"F571RF6/9$Ww#,~}(2)~{!"E.6y~}(~{8U~}~ ~{Bz~}8~{8vTB~})~{MOIm#,~} (3)~{!"PB9$Ww5%N;IOMx2;RW!#; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.11]) by vortex.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA146350 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:03:29 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA25246 for xys@students.uiuc.edu; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:03:28 -0600 Received: from D0GS01.FNAL.GOV (d0gs01.fnal.gov [131.225.111.43]) by postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15488 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:03:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:03:25 -0600 (CST) X-PH: V4.4a@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu From: YANG@D0NYU2.FNAL.GOV To: xys@uiuc.edu Message-Id: <970203180325.4d4010e2@D0NYU2.FNAL.GOV> Subject: fw Content-Type: text Content-Length: 888 Status: RO Well, my telnet session was stuck when I wrote it during the work. Now finish it and though it may not add anything new, but just to make it complete. ------------------------------------------ Well, I think the time has come for me to say fare well. I have quit the MW, and now I decide to quit from XYS, in order to focus my limited time on things my new interests are, such as visual art, psycology and etc. It has been a good experience for me to be able to work with you intellegent guys. Memories generated by it will be always cherished. The boss who hired me in my current company left for another position in another city a few months ago. At our big farewell party, some one said: farewell is made of two words, fare and well. In the same spirit, I'd say I wish XYS fare very well. And also to every one on the board. JIE From shif Mon Feb 3 23:55 EST 1997 Received: (from shif@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA07062; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 23:54:50 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199702040454.XAA07062@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: new editors etc. To: pckoo@cat.syr.edu, zpzhang@math.princeton.edu, shif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, xichen@ix.netcom.com, jliao@vnet.ibm.com Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 23:54:49 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 808 Status: RO Currently there are five editors in this list: afei, ayi, pckoo, xiao chen and me, and I guess no one here will resign and join Sanyee's new magazine soon. We shouldn't use xys@uiuc.edu to discuss xys business or forward the submissions anymore, please create an alias and put these addresses in. Apparently we need some new editors. I would like to nominate Fuge and You-er. (I also contacted Wan Jin You but he has been recruited by Sanyee for his new magazine two days ago). Give your opinions about the new editors. We need to act quickly. Also, if you have anybody you think we should recruit, nominate them here. I don't think we should let Sanyee proofread this coming issue, since now he is working on a new magazine sponsored by aan. I would like to suggest pckoo to take this duty. zhouzi From owner-xys-friends-outgoing@cc.rochester.edu Tue Feb 4 02:23 EST 1997 Received: from galileo.cc.rochester.edu (majord@galileo.cc.rochester.edu [128.151.224.6]) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA03792 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 02:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (majord@localhost) by galileo.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) id CAA23544 for xys-friends-outgoing; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 02:22:01 -0500 (EST) From: Shi-min Fang Message-Id: <199702040719.CAA03289@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: ~{!0DZ2?2N?M#:;RHK!"@KHK!"I"RKIz!"VqHK!#W?S"R`TZ~} ~{1;N|JUN*1`<-5D5Z6~LlR*GsMK3v!#4KMb#,G01`<-:?G0R;6NJ1ySkPBSoK?C;SPHN:N9XO5!#~} ~{NRO`PE#,PBSoK?WvN*R;8vMjH+6@A"5D7GS/@{PTMELe#,=+R;Hg;rFdK|MELe!#~} ~{7=V[WS~}